Ah. Hello, I’m a news dude, and here’s some news: Donald Trump is Hitler! Wait, no no no! Okay, don’t go. Here’s some more news: Donald Trump is a… fascist? Wait, no okay! Keep going. Here’s some even more news: Donald Trump is a Trumpist. Trump as in being a word liberals and conservatives use to refer to specific behaviors and a movement represented by Donald Trump. Trumpist candidates are popping up in the Republican Party, some of whom retweet Nazi propaganda, some of whom are merely Holocaust deniers. But one thing’s for certain: Trumpism is not conservatism or liberalism, it is a separate phenomenon, which we will explore in great detail later. And it’s actually a synonym for American fascism. And although there are similarities and parallels between Donald Trump and Adolf Hitler, a Nazi, he isn’t literally Hitler. Or, actually Hitler. Or even mostly Hitler. And saying he is isn’t helpful. But, he is a fascist. And we need to examine what all of these words mean which is a… cool idea for a comedy show to do? Hitler isn’t the best comparison to Donald Trump, even if some parts are understandable. Historians of fascism all recognize his similar rhetoric, his common themes, his tactics, the camps. Justifying those camps via a Bible quote historically used to justify Nazism and American slavery. The way he talks about outsiders infesting the country. Treating “illegals” as subhumans. Slowly changing the definition of illegal, like starting to go after naturalized citizens for deportation. Even arresting citizens. Gradually making any treatment of the outgroup acceptable. But we’ll get to that. No, no, no, actually we’re going to do some of it real quick right now. So here’s a little gameshow we like to call, “F*ckin’, who said this?” Welcome to “F*ckin’ who said this,” here’s the game: “The Democrats for whole decades let in these illegals. Hundreds of thousands a year! And now that I’m taking a stand, nothing but tears for these animals!” Who said it? Tic-toc, tic-toc, tic-toc. Hitler. Hitler said it, it was Hitler. I changed some words, barely, here’s the real quote, but like, it’s about Jews instead, because the way he talks is undeniably Hitlerian, fascist. And even though historian Robert Paxton thinks this similar rhetoric is just a coincidence that Trump hasn’t read up on, One of the few books Trump has read that wasn’t The Art of the Deal was a book of Hitler’s speeches. Interesting. So, maybe there’s a reason he talks of infestation and has weekly updates on immigrant crime, even though immigrants commit fewer crimes than non-immigrants. A Hitler tactic. And maybe there’s a reason he claims immigrant crime is up when it’s down. And immigration is at an all-time high, when it’s not. And orders a report on the cost of refugees, finds out that they add 63 billion dollars to the economy, and cancels the report, and demands it only show the cost of refugees. So, sure, that’s all a little Hitlerian. But- But, just talking like Hitler, and using the same rhetorical and xenophobic, manipulative themes to gain power and foment fear, doesn’t necessarily mean anything, and we wanna be Fair and Balanced™©® at Cody’s show-dy, right out of the gate. It’s fair to say that Donald Trump is not a totalitarian, which Hitler was. Totalitarianism is when a regime has full control over every aspect of life. And fascism generally is authoritarian, a lesser version of totalitarianism in which a dictator, or committee, or an otherwise small group of political elites maintain full political power. But they’re not totalitarian. Authoritarians are “only concerned with political power, and as long as that is not contested, it gives society a certain degree of liberty.” Historians of fascism also recognize Trump’s authoritarianism, but again we’ll get into that. Trump is not Hitler. He is racist, but he’s not so severely and specifically racist that he has a plan to put people in camps and exterminate them, it doesn’t seem. Nazism, from the getgo, was explicitly racist, and had a specific program and ideology. But fascism, on the whole, is actually more fluid than that. Mussolini and fascist movements in general are often described as being ideologically inconsistent, marked by unprincipled opportunism, making alliances and compromises for the goal of gaining more power and progressing the movement, so it’s unfair to say that Trump has a bunch of Hitler plans. But it’s balanced to say, “That doesn’t mean he’s not a fascist.” Fascism is fluid and takes on qualities of its nation and leader. Mussolini liked to claim that he was the definition of fascism. Some historians believe that it’s more apt to just call German fascism “Hitlerism,” Italian fascism “Mussolinism,” and like, maybe, like, American fascism would be, like, Trumpism. But, when people today say, “You’re a Nazi!” or, “Trump is Hitler!” it’s exaggerated shorthand for American fascism, which is a shorthand for – well, we’ll get to that. And sure, there are actual neo-Nazis out there, which, we’ll get into, and actual white nationalists out there, which, we’ll get into, but American fascism won’t look like that. We wouldn’t use symbols like the swastika, or the Italian fasces, seen here behind Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen, as she lies about separating children from their parents and putting them in camps. As historian of fascism Robert Paxton explains in his book, The Anatomy of Fascism, “No swastikas in an American fascism, but Stars and Stripes (or Stars and Bars) and Christian crosses. No fascist salute, but mass recitations of the pledge of allegiance,” like, maybe how detained migrant children are reciting the pledge of allegiance every morning in their camps. Paxton goes on to say, “These symbols contain no whiff of fascism in themselves, of course, but an American fascism would transform them into obligatory litmus tests for detecting the internal enemy.” American fascism wouldn’t have a bunch of people wearing the same uniform for their dear leader, American fascism symbology would “have to be as familiar and reassuring to loyal Americans as the language and symbols of the original fascisms were familiar and reassuring to many Italians and Germans.” Like, maybe, instead of everyone wearing the same uniform, they’d wear something that represents a national pastime. that everybody already wears, to promote their collective passions and inclusion in a group, without sacrificing their individualism. And, fascism isn’t about antisemitism specifically, it’s about outsiders and insiders, us versus them. Just because Trump has a Jewish son-in-law, and supports Israel, doesn’t mean he can’t be a fascist. American fascism, instead of the extermination of Jews, might have something to do with a nation, that, in a historically speaking short amount of time, created a country based on liberty and equality while enslaving an entire race, committed genocide against Natives in the pursuit of expansionism and American exceptionalism, which the President has praised, expanded further and turned Mexico from this, into this, continued slavery, had a civil war about slavery, killed the guy who ended slavery, started turning former slaves into prison slaves, had decades of racial segregation, ended segregation, and just figured that everything would be fine a number of decades later, while increasing race-based mass incarceration for profit and labor. Those events would probably be the shades that color what American fascism would look like. America already has a relationship with fascism; historians generally agree that the first fascist movement was the KKK. I wonder why David Duke loves Trump’s movement so much. And Hitler modeled some of his worst laws on our Jim Crow laws. So if a man starts to dehumanize non-white outsiders, and calls to ban an entire religion from entering the country, and there’s a rise in people harassing those who “look foreign,” and calling or threatening to call the cops or ICE on them for existing, and the president makes a conscious decision to implement a “zero-tolerance policy” that separates children from their parents, and due to overflow starts building black sites and camps on military bases to detain them indefinitely, in for-profit prisons from companies like CoreCivic, in which reports indicate that immigrants are being coerced into forced labor at those camps, maybe, maybe, that’s closer to American fascism than the literal Holocaust. Maybe American fascism will be camps for migrants to be used for prison labor. That’s a much more realistic picture of American fascism than literally Nazis. But, that leap of logic, “Trump is exactly Nazis,” is a distraction that lets willfully blind pundits and politicians scoff and say, “You fool, he’s not Hitler Hitler, therefore, ignore everything happening.” “I mean, delusional nonsense, read a damn book.” “If Trump were a Nazi, does Judd Apatow really think that he’d be able to go on Twitter and say stuff like this?” Yes, Ben, good point. We are indeed not living in the very end of Nazi Germany. Which was how the Nazis started out? Yes, here’s conservative bad boy Ben Shapiro, complaining about everyone calling whoever they don’t like Hitler. It’s dishonest and harmful. Conservative bad boy Steven Crowder agrees. You call everyone Hitler, no one will believe you when Hitler’s there. So, in response, here’s his nuanced character “Tranny Hitler.” Because asking for basic decency and acceptance for marginalized groups is… Nazi-like. Ben and Steven also like to use any mention of gun regulation as an opportunity to compare people to Nazis. Ignoring all the non-Nazi countries with gun control, and how, you know, like, how, like, Hitler massively expanded gun rights, and then, removed them for specifically Jews? And how that’s absolutely nothing? Like the majority of the country calling for gun regulation in response to mass shootings and gun violence. Because gun control isn’t Nazi Germany stuff, Ben. There’s gun control in current-day Germany. And other countries that also aren’t Nazis, Ben. These people are full of gems like this. Like when Louder with Crowder says, “The Nazis were pro-choice so, like, liberals are pro-choice, so they’re Nazis.” But, here on Loudest with Johnston, we’ll say, “The Nazis were pro non-Aryan women getting abortions, for the purposes of eugenics. And allowed abortions for Aryan women only in cases of provably potential hereditary defects from a parent, aka eugenics. And in 1943, providing abortions to Aryan women was a capital offense, Steven! So, yeah, maybe we shouldn’t make Nazi comparisons to just anything we don’t like, when the comparison isn’t apt, and isn’t unique to Nazis or fascists. And maybe, we can, to a certain extent, forgive people for making a Hitler comparison when they see a right-wing demagogue who built his campaign on scapegoating outsiders as an infestation of violent animals that need to be removed in order to reinvigorate our nation. It’s not just Hitler and Nazis, though, people use the word “fascist” very flippantly, on both sides. During Hitler’s rise, communists called anyone to the right of them a fascist. In 1932, Ernst Thälmann even had to say, “Nothing could be more fatal for us than to opportunistically overestimate the danger posed by Hitler-fascism.” Unfortunate, what happened next. But, even the people who complain about fascist comparisons do it all the time. Here’s Ben Shapiro, talking about “Obama’s Fascist State of the Union Address.” These right-wing pundits and propagandists use this “you’re a fascist!” argument in order to twist it to eventually mean, “the Left are the real fascists, actually.” And this is demonstrably false. And, before we get into what fascism is, I think it’s important to pinpoint what fascism isn’t, and what fascism isn’t just. Fascism isn’t just authoritarianism. Many people just throw the word around when they think the government has too much control. But, there are many different varieties of authoritarianism. It’s a feature of fascism, but it’s not unique to fascism. Trumpist propagandist Dinesh D’Souza will often cite Antifa violence as being the real fascists. He’s used a quote from Robert Paxton’s The Anatomy of Fascism, “The legitimation of violence against a demonized internal enemy brings us close to the heart of fascism.” Dinesh gives a speech in which he likens people protesting the inauguration of a president who did not receive the most votes as the real fascists. And it’s been a while since I mentioned Hitler, who never received the popular majority, nor did Mussolini, but yes, the citizens protesting, those are the real fascists. Also, Dinesh, you just released a trailer for your new propaganda film, with a clever name alluding to the film, The Birth of a Nation, real good stuff, buddy, and you do your “the Left is the real fascists!” business, this time it’s because the Nazis had a welfare state. Welfare means the real fascists. “Both Mussolini and Hitler set up and ran welfare states.” Interesting claim to include, and interesting conclusion, and I haven’t seen your sh*tty movie, Dinesh, but I bet you probably don’t also include any mention of this passage from Paxton’s book, that you probably didn’t read, about how “Fascists had to do something about the welfare state. In Germany, the welfare experiments of the Weimar Republic had proved too expensive after the Depression struck in 1929. The Nazis trimmed them and perverted them by racial forms of exclusion.” And here’s what we really need to understand, before moving on, and moving forward, because fascism, regardless of nation, or time, or leader, is a reaction against the Left. It’s a frustration with liberalism, it’s a rejection of socialism, and communism, and Marxism, and feminism, and globalism, and perceived weakness. It’s a reactionary movement that’s a bit outside the realm of conservatism, that forms an uneasy alliance with conservatives, and centrist elites, to quote Robert Paxton, “against their common enemies on the Left.” That’s one of the reasons the movement was successful, why some progressed and took hold, because of collective hatred of the Left. Or, as Paxton also says, “Dictatorship against the Left amidst popular enthusiasm, that was the combination that fascism would manage to put together one short generation later.” “We need a generic term for what is a general phenomenon, indeed the most important political novelty of the twentieth century, a popular movement against the Left.” Or, as Newt Gingrich recently said out loud, “Trump is not essentially a conservative. Trump is an anti-liberal. They’re not the same phenomenon. But, he may be the most effective uprooter of liberalism in my lifetime.” So all of these people, regardless of their intentions, are being very dishonest. And yeah, it’s dangerous to blindly compare leaders to Hitler. Just as it’s dangerous to present Hitler as an illogical, mystical, chaos-wanting bogeyman, who couldn’t possibly take power again. And yeah, of course, people throw the word “fascist” around to mean, “don’t tell me what to do,” or “don’t shove me, you fascist,” but, to present fascism as what it’s the opposite of, is historically immoral, because it’s knowingly pushing people to a place in which they might not be able to recognize it when it happens. Or maybe, push people into supporting it. Like, um, like fascist propaganda. No, Trump isn’t Hitler, but Trumpism is a synonym for fascism, which, at its core, is an obsession with an idea, and an individual attached to that idea that is so strong and so powerful that it, by necessity, gets left unchecked, will destroy everything but that person and that idea. So, here we go, Finally. Now, I kinda really don’t wanna do it. But, okay! Fascism. Okay. Oh, God. So much. 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