‘The Five’ spar over Trump’s executive order on citizenship

‘The Five’ spar over Trump’s executive order on citizenship


>>Jesse: THAT WAS PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP AT THE WHITE HOUSE WITH ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR AND COMMERCE SECRETARY WILBUR ROSS TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUING OF A NEW EXECUTIVE ORDER BASICALLY ORDERING FEDERAL DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES TO HANOVER RELEVANT DATA THAT THEY VISIT US, PIECEMEAL OR NOT OVER WHO IS IN THE COUNTRY ILLEGALLY OR LEGALLY, CITIZEN OR NONCITIZEN AND THEY COULD COME FROM ANYWHERE. HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES, USDA, SOCIAL SECURITY, TREASURY. IT ALL GOES TO THE COMMERCE DEPARTMENT WHICH RUNS THE CENSUS AND NOW THEY WILL HAVE A MORE ACCURATE COUNT OF WHO IS IN THE COUNTRY LEGALLY.>>Greg: USING PREVIOUSLY AVAILABLE DATABASES, ABOUT 90% ACCURATE. IT’S ALMOST EXACTLY WHAT SCOTT ADAMS SAID. THIS GOES TO THE BIGGER QUESTIO QUESTION. DEMOCRATS HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THIS. IT’S AMERICA’S DECISION ABOUT OUR BORDERS AND OUR CITIZENSHIP, NOT THE REST OF THE WORLD. IF YOU IGNORE THAT, YOU’RE GOING TO END UP WITH BREXIT BECAUSE BREXIT HAPPENED WHEN MILLIONS OF BRITISH CITIZENS SAW GERMANY’S DECISION IMPACT THEIR FUTURE IMMIGRATION. THAT CAUSED THE FRACTURE, CAUSE THEM TO LEAVE THE E.U. BECAUSE THEY SAID GERMANY IS GOING TO LET ALL THESE REFUGEES IN. THEY’RE GOING TO END UP IN ENGLAND. GOVERNMENT SEIZES TO ENFORCE THEIR BORDERS IN AMERICA WILL END UP LIKE THE E.U. AND STATES WILL HAVE TO CREATE THEIR OWN LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS TO IMPACT SECURITY. ARE WE GOING TO DIVORCE? ARE WE GOING TO WORK TOGETHER? I WOULD RATHER SEE THE COUNTRY WERE TOGETHER THAN DIVORCE OVER THIS.>>Jesse: THE PRESIDENT SAID HE NEEDS THE RELEVANT INFORMATION TO MAKE INFORMED PUBLIC POLICY WITH REGARDS TO IMMIGRATION, HEALTH CARE, VOTING RIGHTS ACT, AND ALSO TO DEAL WITH CONGRESSIONAL APPORTIONMENT WHICH IS GOING TO BE CHALLENGED.>>Dana: AND THINGS LIKE INFRASTRUCTURE. I MENTIONED USDA BECAUSE THAT’S WHERE, IF YOU’RE ON FOOD STAMPS, FOR EXAMPLE, OR YOU ARE A FARMWORKER, THINGS LIKE THAT. FROM A LEGAL ISSUE, THE COMMERCE DEPARTMENT DID NOT SET THIS UP WHILE INITIALLY THAT’S WHAT LED TO THIS LEGAL JAM THEY WERE IN AND WHAT BILL BARR, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SAID, THE IMPEDIMENT TO ADDING THE QUESTION WAS A LOGISTICAL ONE. IT’S NOT A LEGAL ONE. HE STILL MAINTAINS IT WOULD BE LEGAL TO PUT IT ON THERE BUT THEY’RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT IN TIME IN ORDER TO DO THE CENSUS SO THEY HAD TO TAKE ANOTHER ROUTE. FROM A POLITICAL STANDPOINT, I THINK PRESIDENT TRUMP WOULD BE IN A POSITION TO SAY IT’S A WIN-WIN FOR ME. HE WOULD SAY FOR AMERICA. HE HAS RAISED THE ISSUE, THE QUESTION OF VISITED COMMON SENSE TO WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY CITIZENS ARE IN THE COUNTRY? I’M TRYING TO FIGHT FOR IT AND FIND A WAY TO DO IT AND THE DEMOCRATS WANT TO BLOCK ME IN THE COURTS WANT TO BLOCK ME BUT I FOUND ANOTHER WAY THAT I’M DOING EVERYTHING HE CAN SO HE FIGURES OUT HOW TO TALK ABOUT ON THE TRAIL.>>Jesse: HE SAID THE DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING TO CONCEAL THE NUMBER OF NONCITIZENS IN THE COUNTRY.>>Juan: HE WENT AFTER THE COURTS. HE WENT AFTER THE LEFT-WING. HE SAID THEY ARE TRYING TO STOP THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IN MINNESOTA, ANOTHER TOTAL LIE BUT OKAY.>>Jesse: THAT IS SOMETHING THAT’S HAPPENING IN MINNESOTA.>>Juan: NO IT’S NOT. IT’S RIDICULOUS.>>Jesse: IT’S BEEN ALL OVER THE NEWS ALL DAY.>>Juan: ALL IT IS IS A CITY COUNCIL IN ONE CITY THAT SAID YOU DON’T HAVE TO DO IT AT THE START OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING. NO ONE IS BANNING THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I GET THE IDEA THAT PEOPLE ARE FEARMONGERING AND THAT’S WITH THIS PRESIDENT IS DOING. HILLARY CLINTON SAID TODAY THIS IS WEAPONIZING FEAR AND BIGOTRY AND I COULDN’T AGREE MORE.>>Greg: QUOTING HILLARY IS NOT A GOOD THING.>>Juan: I THINK SHE’S RIGHT. I TELL YOU SOMETHING, THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES SAID NO SO HE HAS FOUND — YES, THEY DID.>>Jesse: THE RATIONALE FOR INCLUDING IT WAS NOT UP TO SNUFF.>>Juan: IF IT WAS JUST A MATTER OF EXECUTIVE ORDER HE WOULD’VE DONE IT BEFORE. MADE THEIR ARGUMENT TO THE SUPREME COURT AND THEY SAID NO.>>Jesse: THEY DID NOT SAY NO. THEY WERE GOING TO READDRESS IT. THEY DON’T HAVE TIME.>>Juan: THEY DON’T HAVE TIME BECAUSE THEY LOST IN THE SUPREME COURT AND NOW IN FACT THE SENSES IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CONGRESS AND HE IS GOING AROUND THE SUPREME COURT, AROUND –>>Jesse: NO, IT’S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE COMMERCE DEPARTMENT, JUAN. WHY IS IT SCARY TO ASK THE QUESTION?>>Juan: IT INTIMIDATES PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE DISSIPATING IN THE CENSUS.>>Jesse: YOU KNOW WHAT OTHER QUESTIONS THEY ASK. THEY ASK IF YOU ARE IN A SAME-SEX MARRIAGE. THEY ASK IF YOU WERE BORN IN PUERTO RICO. AGE, RACE, HOW YOU COMMUTE TO WORK, HOW MUCH USE THE INTERNET. ALL THOSE QUESTIONS ARE SCARY?>>Emily: IT IS MANUFACTURED OUTRAGE AND IT IS SO TRANSPARENT. I DISAGREE WITH THE RESPECTFULLY, JUAN. TO YOUR POINTS, DANA, IT’S TELLING THAT A, JUSTICE THOMAS’ COMMENT SAID THAT IN HIS SEPARATE OPINION HE BASICALLY SAID THIS IS THE COURT THAT IS DOUBTING THE SINCERITY OF WHAT IS OTHERWISE AN ADEQUATE RATIONALE. SINCE WHEN DO WE INVALIDATE AGENCY DECISIONS BASED ON THAT?>>>>PELOSI CALLING FOR VOTEST>>>>PELOSI CALLING FOR VOTESO HOLD THEM IN CRIMINAL CONTEMPT, AG BARR. IT’S A UTILIZATION OF RESOURCES AVAILABLE THAT I DON’T AGREE WE SHOULD REMAIN IN THESE INFLEXIBLE BOXES TO THE LEFT KEEPS TRYING TO SHOVE THE ADMINISTRATION INTO. FINAL POINT. IT’S INTERESTING THAT MANY COUNTRIES HAVE THIS QUESTION. THE U.N. RECOMMENDS IT AS PRACTICE ACTUALLY. IF, FOR SOME REASON, WHEN WE BRING IT UP IN A WAVE OF CHANGES THAT WE OFTEN DO, IT’S CONSIDERED DRACONIAN.>>Juan: I WANT TO RESPOND THAT IN FACT WHAT WE KNOW IS REPUBLICANS, A DONOR CAME UP WITH THIS IDEA AS A WAY TO DEPRESSED NONWHITES IN THE COUNTRY IN TERMS COUNTING THEM FOR PURPOSES –>>Jesse: THE EVENT DOING THIS SINCE THE 1820s.>>Juan: I’M TELLING YOU THIS WAS PART OF THE RATIONALE BEING EMPLOYED BY THE DRUG ADMINISTRATION.>>Greg: HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?>>Dana: THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS.>>Juan: THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED HAPPENED. THIS WEEKEND WITH THE PRESIDENT IS NOW PROPOSING IS WERE GOING TO HAVE IMMIGRANT RAIDS THIS WEEKEND.>>Jesse: NO, NO, HE’S NOT. ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.>>Juan: YOU GUYS.>>Jesse: NOT LEGAL.>>Juan: PEOPLE HAVE LIVED HERE TEN YEARS, 20 YEARS, YOU THINK IT’S OKAY TO HAVE PEOPLE KNOCKING DOWN THEIR DOORS?>>Jesse: THEY ARE TARGETED RAIDS. PEOPLE HAVE COMMITTED CRIMES. YOU’RE OKAY WITH NOT KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT WHO IS IN THE COUNTRY.>>Dana: CAN I ADD ONE THING.>>Jesse: IF IT’S NOT A SECRET, HOW MANY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS IN THE COUNTRY? YOU HAVE NO IDEA.>>Dana: THE CENSUS IS DONE EVERY TEN YEARS BUT ON THE AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY, IT DOES ASK ABOUT CITIZENSHIP. I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY WERE HAVING THIS FIGHT.>>Jesse: IF YOU ASK PEOPLE, IT CAN DEPRESS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS RUN BY DEMOCRATS. A LOT OF DEMOCRATS REPRESENT DISTRICTS THAT HAVE A HIGH ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT POPULATION. NOT ALL OF THEM BUT SOME AND THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT THE DECREASE IN POWER IN THE CONGRESS AND A DECREASE IN RESOURCES.>>Juan: COUNT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE.>>Jesse: AND NONCITIZEN.>>Greg: YOU ARE COUNTING THE PEOPLE. A NONCITIZEN IS ALSO AN INDIVIDUAL.>>Juan: YOU CAN PUT THE –>>Greg: SO NO GENDER? NO GENDER EITHER? WE ARE COUNTING THE PEOPLE. THERE ARE CATEGORIES WITHIN THE PEOPLE, THOUSANDS OF CATEGORIES. YOU CAN COUNT THE PEOPLE AND THEN ASKED THEM IF THEY ARE CITIZENS OR NOT. THEY DON’T INTERSECT.>>Jesse: JUAN. THEY ASK IF YOU’RE WHITE, IF YOU’RE BLACK. THEY ASK IF YOU WERE BORN IN PUERTO RICO. THEY ASK IF YOU ARE A RUSSIAN.>>Greg: BUT CAN’T ASK IF YOU ARE A CITIZEN.>>Juan: HERE IS THE SITUATION. PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE ILLEGALLY FEAR THAT THEY WOULD BE — NOT ONLY WITH THE DOOR BE BUSTED DOWN BUT THEY WOULD BE TAKEN AWAY, PUT IN JAIL OR THROWN — IT’S A THREAT TO THEM AND THESE PEOPLE ARE OUR NEIGHBORS.>>Greg: IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ARE. THEY’RE WALKING AROUND IN BROAD DAYLIGHT. NUMBER TWO, I THOUGHT THEY FLED THESE VIOLENT COUNTRIES IN CENTRAL AMERICA. I DON’T THINK THEY ARE AFRAID OF A QUESTIONNAIRE. WHEN VIOLENCE IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES.>>ALSO — SPEAK I HAVE TO GO TO DRIVER’S LICENSE.>>THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON WHETHER OR NOT SOMEONE MIGHT BE SCARED.>>OF COURSE NOT. THAT’S JUST NOT HOW THE GOVERNMENT OPERATES.>>HOW ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD MAKE THE DECISION BASED ON OUR CONSTITUTION INSTEAD OF HAVING THE QUESTION. WHY IS OBAMA DOING THINGS HE MIGHT NOW LOOK AT YOU, JESSE, YOU HAVE TOTALLY TURNED. WE LOVE EXECUTIVE ACTION.>>THEY CAN SUE AND THEY CAN BE HELD UP IN COURT.>>YOU GET YOUR GUY BILL BARR BACK, HAVE THEM SAY WE’RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE LEGAL ACTION. IT’S UNCONSTITUTIONAL! YOU CAN’T GO AROUND THE CONGRESS AND THE COURT.>>IF YOU ARE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, YOU OPERATE THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH ALL OF THESE DEPARTMENTS AND THESE AGENCIES ARE UNDER THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. YOU CAN’T CALL DHS AND SAY, SECRETARY, CAN YOU SEND OVER THE DATA THAT YOU HAVE? YOU’RE SAYING THAT’S UNCONSTITUTIONAL GIVE MIKE SPEAK FINE. WHAT I SAID TO YOU WAS –>>THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT HE’S DOING.>>THE CONSTITUTION SAYS THE CENSUSES UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE CONGRESS. WHAT YOU SEE FROM A COMMERCE DEPARTMENT. IF THE COMMERCE DEPARTMENT ACTUALLY OPERATES. IT’S THE CONGRESS THAT HAS OF THIS AUTHORITY. THE PRESIDENT IS NOW GOING AROUND THE COURTS, AROUND THE CONGRESS.>>NO HE’S NOT.>>TO FIRE UP HIS POLITICAL BASE WITH THIS KIND OF BIGOTRY.>>HE’S ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING IN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, WHICH HE RUNS.>>IT SOMETHING THAT HE PROMISED AND IS WORKING ON IT HE’S KIND OF LAID IT OUT PRETTY CLEAR, IT’S A SIMPLE QUESTION AND IT’S A QUESTION THAT SOMEHOW — HOW WAS THAT ANY WORSE THAN ASKING YOUR GENDER, RIGHT? THAT COULD BE SCARY.>>OR YOUR SEXUAL ORIENTATION.>>OR YOUR RACE, FOR EXAMPLE. I GUESS THAT’S RACIST.>>THAT’S IN THE CONSTITUTION.>>L ‘5 IS A STRICT

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