The Five 7/24/19 | The Five Fox News Today July 24, 2019

The Five 7/24/19 | The Five Fox News Today July 24, 2019

nothing done wrong in fact things were done right there was nothing done wrong and certainly I mean look I read the papers that I read the press and I read the Internet and if you see what's going on the internet if you listen to the Internet this was one of the worst performances in the history of our country so you know that you know that very well but I don't think anybody could have done a good performance he had no material it was a fake set of facts that the Democrats used to try and of us to try and do really an illegal overthrow but we're going to find out about well the asylum is a big say it so the asylum is a very big ruling that was a tremendous ruling today we appreciate it we respect the courts very much that helps us very much at the border the numbers are way down at the border which is a good thing apprehensions dark way down because Mexico has now 22,000 soldiers and there they mean business because they know what happens the alternative is not good for them it's also good for Mexico what they're doing because the cartels have been running all of the border for years and years and Mexico is saying and the president is saying we got it clean it up so they've got 21 thousand soldiers they'll probably put up more but this ruling today and asylum is a tremendous room so Guatemala gave us their word we were going to sign a safe third agreement and then all of a sudden they backed up they said it was their Supreme Court I don't believe that but they use their supreme court as the reason they didn't want to do it so we'll even do tariffs or we'll do something we're looking at something very severe with respect to Guatemala I've already cut all payments I did that a year ago I cut all payments going to Honduras El Salvador and Guatemala we used to send them five hundred million dollars or nothing but nothing they didn't do anything except set up caravans so Guatemala we're going to take care of and it won't even be tough we're going to do we're looking at a couple of different things one of the things very heavy is as you know Mexico has put six thousand people on that border let me just tell you something I know you're always you always have a question you mean my White House aides life what about his aides what about what about Muller's days he didn't say that at all you're untruthful when you ask you are untruthful when you ask that question when you ask that question you're untruthful and you know who else is untruthful you know who else is untruthful his aides and Weissman was untruthful and Weissman got caught just like he did with Arthur Andersen where he lost in the Supreme Court 9 to nothing his aides were very in truthful and they put Muller and they put Mullen not at all they put Muller in a very bad position his aides put him in a very bad position and if you were ever truthful you'd be able to write this the Dems have nothing now they have less than nothing that was President Donald Trump on who is a DC Sandra hi good to see you it was quite a day so the president just wrapped really what we were all witnessing throughout the day in his own words he said this was a bad day out for our country he then went on to say it was a good day for him he said you could say it was a great day for me I'm Democrats have said that they should be ashamed for bringing this on in the first place on Republicans he said that they defended something great today even called them warriors Robert Muller on his presentation the president just said he believes that he didn't have a presentation he did not have material when he went into those hearing rooms today I think we're gonna hear a lot more on this Democrats are reacting tonight it's not over yet oh yeah disappointment on both sides of the aisle to these hearings today oh I don't know actually the Trump listen he was extremely confident yeah preening combative sure of himself he looked very very confident and relaxed and relieved over today because I think everybody agrees even the Democrats and even the media would agree that this was an absolute catastrophe for them I predicted this was going to backfire on the Democrats you did even worse than I expected the entire day they tried to strike and light that match yeah pitchman and it just wouldn't light there was no big TV moment Muller didn't deliver he was stumbling he was bumbling Trump knows that because optically it was a bomb and substantively it was a bomb and the way he was pushing back on the press right there shows you how sure of himself he is that he's closed this chapter and impeachment I believe the impingement train has stopped dead on the tracks and the kinds of questions that the White House corresponds to a ski it's almost like they didn't even watch the hearing how biased and baseless they were are you worried about being indicted when you leave office no he's absolutely not worried about that Teddy hmm I thought it was very interesting if the president was really shot out of a cannon we have to mark the contrast in tone in the reaction to today versus May 29th when Robert Muller came out and had that somewhat odd press conference where he managed to say two things one of the things he said is I don't want to go before Congress and now we understand why he was hesitant to go before Congress and the president was really waiting for a moment like this to button the whole thing up and Jesse's absolutely right he was incredibly confident he was combative and the tone in the White House and for the president's allies markedly different than it was two months ago hey Juan are you there I think president Tripp was pretty happy with how this all panned out right absolutely no chill pill for him tonight he's at suberin what man is bubbling he's like champagne you know I think though you know you have to be careful because you shouldn't judge a congressional hearing by it's entertainment value but we live in an age of cable news and cliques and social media and you can see the wave right there right so the wave and I think that's what President Trump speaking up on is oh my opponents feel deflated and you heard that from Jesse right now you know knowing no collusion no obstruction it's easy to forget Trump and the Republicans didn't want these hearings but you get the hearings and now you get into a situation where I think a lot of people are saying you know what we thought the movie was going to be better than the book huh it turns out the book was better than the movie especially for the Democrats but you can't get away from the facts and I think that's what the Democrats tried to show today they laid out the case for obstruction they laid out that Russia interfered and as I you know as you heard even at the very end from from Adam shift on the antenna chair a democratic chair Intelligence Committee he still thinks that there is a case to be made here and Jim get the one thing that Muller was very clear on is Russia interfered in 2016 to help Trump and they continued to interfere as we head towards 2020 it's the hype turned into tripe there are so many awkward moments throughout the day too when you heard the president just they're called into question and Andy McCarthy by the way reacting to this saying was even involved in the investigation when you saw his pretty was ill-prepared for some of the questions that came at him including who appointed him in Massachusetts US Attorney he answered George HW Bush who was quickly corrected by one of the lawmakers that it was Ronald Reagan questions about how many of the witness interviews did you sit on there was over 500 of them he answered very few about fusion GPS he said he was not familiar with fusion GPS yeah how berm behind the steel dossier I mean there was a lot of moments that stood I felt bad okay wheat Fuller's a stand-up guy but I felt that the B I felt that the Democrats set him up and trotted him out when he wasn't ready or prepared and it made him look terrible that's why he had that aid that was sworn in to try to help them follow along he couldn't follow the questions he didn't know what was in his own report it was truthfully Weissman's report they just slapped Muller's name on it he was not running this investigation he was asleep at the wheel they trotted him out because he's got such a great brand because he served this country so honorably for so many years but he had no clue what was going on no clue about the hiring process I didn't know any of the details he was stammering and he was stumbling and one likes to say that the Republicans were fearful of this I think if the Republicans could go back and say hey maybe I think we changed our mind yeah you were the one saying don't bring Muller and he was gonna wilt under questioning from the Republicans on the committee and that's exactly what happened here okay an important distinction to be made here Jesse he didn't wilt I think he was he thought in his mind I'm gonna present myself as the ex-marine this great shooter a man of great rectitude and steady came off as uncertain of the facts while I got calling people to defend himself we'll go back to trop say that at all you're on truthful when you as it be that you are untruthful when you ask that question when you ask that question you're untruthful and you know who else is untruthful you know who else is untruthful his aides and Weitzman was untruthful and Weissman got caught just like he did with Arthur Andersen way lost in the Supreme Court nine to nothing his aides were very unsuitable and they put mala in impeding investigate and a football but not at all they put Muller in a very bad position his aides put him in a very bad position and if you were ever just fault you know I have no but I'm very happy I haven't called Boris but I'm very happy that he won I'm very very happy so what happened was struck in Paige meaning the two lovers is a disgrace because they had a lot of text messages and Muller illegally deleted those text messages and they didn't get too much into that because he forgot he didn't really know he didn't know too much he didn't know anything but struck and pegs were texting don't forget they were the ones with me just in case she should lose we're going to have an insurance policy this is the same structured page so that was a very very bad situation what they did and what Muller did he deleted their text messages back and forth probably thousands of them that's a serious problem I think it's gonna help us because everyone seems now that this thing's been going on for so long it all fair mr. Muller this has gone on long before Muller this has gone on from some time after we came down the escalator and I got great poll numbers because from the beginning I was leading and this really took place sometime right after we came down the escalator the first lady in myself and I will tell you something I think it's gonna have a huge negative impact on 2020 for the Democrats oh the only thing that can top that Jessie may be my monologue I would agree let's do it so can you repeat the question sir can you repeat the question sir that went a little fast for me could you repeat that ma'am and you repeat the last part of that question yeah can you repeat the question the impact pardon can you read the last question the last question was certainly got it accurate again can you repeat the question and where are you reading from on that I'm reading from my question then could you repeat it this is very very painful those aren't my words but David Axelrod a Democrat tweeting about the hearing yep as much as they hoped for a 12 alarm fire all the Dems got was a damped sparkler they wanted the Empire Strikes Back but got a rerun of Matlock they wanted a Super Bowl instead they got a test pattern so was it a disaster for the Democrats I think this has been a disaster for the Democrats and I think it's been a disaster for the reputation of robert muller he has seemed very uncertain with his brief he doesn't know seem to know what things that are in the report but don't just take it from him I had to watch the thing to no choice it was on to the gym and it was either that or Real Housewives if you did a shot every time Muller said could you repeat the question you'd be dead but that's not molars fault it's the Dems still intent on reliving the past hoping the ending changes but it can't there like a guy who dumped and thinks playing their song over and over might rekindle the romance the conclusion same as before molar says Trump's not guilty but the Dems want him to go beyond that and say okay Trump may not be guilty but that doesn't mean he's innocent that is Trump wasn't exonerated but exoneration declaring someone innocent is impossible watch this painful exchange mr. Muller does the Attorney General have the power or authority to exonerate when I'm putting up here is the United States code this is where the Attorney General gets his power and the Constitution and the annotated vert Casas of these which we've searched we even went to your law school because I went to Case Western but I thought maybe your law school teaches it differently and we got the criminal law textbook from your law school mr. Muller nowhere in these because we had them scanned is there a process or description on exonerate there's no office of exoneration to attorney general's office there's no certificate at the bottom of his desk mr. Muller would you agree with me that the Attorney General does not have the power to exonerate I'm gonna pass on that why this is the headline on all of the news channels while you were testifying today Muller Trump was not exonerated mr. Muller what you know is that this can't say Muller exonerated Trump because you don't have the power or authority to exonerate Trump well that did not go well and so a 400-page lump crafted by unhappy agenda-driven staffers collapses like a bad souffle as Trump continues to unleash an economy that lifts all boats his adversary sit stranded arms flailing going nowhere stuck in the past as the future starts looking like 2016 all over again the Democrats wanted so badly from Muller to give his report new life instead he took it out to the woods shot it Kennedy you want to bring up a point about impeachment yes so now we have to ask because the Democrats were hoping that this was their best hope at igniting the fire of impeachment because the the pilot light is lit the flames are there so today was either kerosene or ice water yes and unfortunately for Democrats who are pinning all of their hopes on this pivotal moment it was the latter and here's why the messenger was not effective it was like he didn't have all his faculties he was bumbling and stumbling and just did not deliver the goods it was clear that he was not running the investigation he was just the figurehead and he testified under oath Greg yes that his investigation was not obstructed yet the Democrats want to impeach Trump for obstructing an investigation that the lead investigator said was it obstructed also Trump is presumed innocent in this country and what the hearing established was that when Muller said that I could not exonerate you that he violated the bedrock principle of the American judicial system that you were innocent until proven guilty and that he abused his prosecutorial authority by making that claim and he had no control over his own team he said he didn't even ask any questions when he hired his staff they hired 14 Democrats no Republicans Clinton donors Clinton lawyers people that partied with Hillary the night she lost they come on the team he didn't even know about those conflicts and when he found out about them he didn't do anything about the conflict but you know that was one of the moments I think that he got fired up the most today was defending those on his staff the lawyers that worked for him when some lawmakers chose to question him about their political affiliation Democrats donating to Hillary Clinton's campaign he fired up and actually looked at everybody in the room said not once when I have hired people to work on my team have I ever asked their political affiliation I would say that's one of the one moments where he defended himself the most yeah that was the only time he actually perked up one what about the bottom line there's he does not have the ability to exonerate and that just crushes the Democrats you know I disagree Greg because it seems to me that he's the special counsel he's not like a prosecutor in your hometown yeah who either indict Saur dozen indict goes to the grand jury and gets the charge or doesn't he's a special counsel and under his and date he was to give a report and by the way it was supposed to be a private report it was up to the Attorney General Bill barter release it and Bill Bar released it not in full but as much as he thought was appropriate and what he did was he said I don't find the conspiracy and by the way I thought you guys were going to hit Muller on the fact that he couldn't distinguish conspiracy you know from but I'm saying I think that what he had in his hand was to say one and that this is the headline out of today guess what yes the president can be indicted but we didn't make that determination because of the office of legal counsel direction the policy direction coming from justice and I think that's really important for people to understand he was constrained well I think you saying he's the special counsel that doesn't make him special he's still a prosecutor and no proximities the ordinary prosecutor no attorney general in America has the power to exonerate anybody through you're innocent until you're proven guilty in a court of law to disagree with you want because he's appointed essentially as a prosecutor and that is his job in the basis of prosecution and the judicial system in this country is the presumption of innocence that's where you have to work from you cannot work backward it's not a novel agenda with exciting interns it it has to be pretty straightforward if we're going to have Kennedy law Kennedy what you guys are saying is true if you were on street criminal we're talking about a guy who was operating as a Special Counsel under special law he didn't even have ken starr's Authority Ken Starr was a special prosecutor this guy's a special counsel he was supposed to issue a report and in the report he can say what he wants to say about exoneration again this is a false standard being set up by Republicans to try to say up nothing just to go back to work there wasn't what about that exchange with Jessie just mentioned with Radcliffe though because he said he was asked by the congressman Robert Mahler was can you give an example other than Donald Trump where the Department of Justice determined and investigated person was not exonerated because their innocence was not conclusively determined he replied Muller replied I cannot but this is unique situation wreckless says we'll leave it there I only wish they would have gone on with that statement and let him actually responded this is not this is not a Banana Republic this guy has authority under the executive branch he can do what he wants under those legal guidelines he can't go out of the Regal God's and speaking of his mandate he didn't even follow through on his mandate his mandate was to look into Russian interference in the election yet the core people involved in the origination of the investigation and the origination of the rush of collusion narrative miss food Glenn Simpson and Christopher's steel hook by the special council miss foot line three times was never charged with perjury Robert MOA said he never even heard of fusion GPS who is the Clinton arm go ask people at justice go ask the intelligence agency not what he was supposed to be looking at just Russia interference in the election covers in the transition opportunity to defend himself in that room today and we didn't exactly see that moving on we're about to hear top Democrats reacting to Robert Moeller's testimony earlier today as the here at the hearings Democrats honed in on their key issue should President Trump be charged with a crime over obstruction of justice take a look at this the president could be prosecuted for obstruction of justice crimes after he leaves office is correct true does obstructing justice weren't a lot of time intro in jail you were convicted yes why did the President of the United States want you fired does ordering determination of the head of a criminal investigation constitute an obstructive act in my view if anyone else in America engaged in these actions they would have been charged with witness tampering alright so there was a lot of obsession in that room today Kennedy why don't you start us off here it was you know obviously we see split hearings whenever you have big moments like this and the Democrats tried several times to throw Robert Moeller various lifelines and the only thing that really stuck and that stirred emotion in Robert Moeller was when they were talking about his record and there was still some confusion about that but Democrats also you know they were trying to sort of lead him into parts of the report that were damning for the president in even with that and and with that guidance special counsel still shut them down with these one-word answers and the need for clarification over and over and over again Gregg to quote Al Green a few minutes ago Democrat from Texas a WoW moment did not happen assault Weissenberg asks the question you know or made the point this did not move the needle that was what Democrats were hoping for I thought it was amazing when when Nancy Pelosi who were about to hear from Democrats here in a short bit Nancy Pelosi was asked about the hearing and whether she was watching it and she said just a little bit yeah who's this passed by she was passive passed by a big-box store and saw it on the TV and then she was like but this is the Dems or cotton its dilemma they love the indictment story they love the collusion story but America doesn't so the more that they use this these golf clubs it keeps them from actually coming up and generating ideas that might attract voters the collusion the collusion argument is the equivalent of smoking pot when you wake up in the morning you're gonna get nothing done the rest of the day Democrats if you start on collusion early you're done get-off collusion because I think everybody knows that didn't happen but on the obstruction thing you cannot impeach a president for obstructing a crime he didn't commit you could not impeach a president for obstructing a crime that the lead investigator said he wasn't obstructed on and of course you're gonna fight back when you've been framed by Democrats and then investigated by only Democrats who are coming after your company your family your personal assets and trying to set perjury traps for you trying to tee up impeachment and trying to set up an obstruction case against you you're gonna fight back yet he not only fought back he complied he never claimed executive privilege he handed over thousands of documents and he won and that's what the Democrats want to impeach him for now POTUS never fired robert muller he never even said fire robert muller he merely asked his personal lawyer to go ask the acting AG hey can we replace robert muller with someone who's not conflicted and if democrats are gonna hang their impeachment hat on that Go Fish let's ask one why did this did today these hearings helped persuade Nancy Pelosi in any way to move forward with impeachment did it move the needle I don't think it moved it with Pelosi in fact Chris Wallace who was on the programming all day with me said he thought this helped Nancy Pelosi because she's been trying to hold a lot of the Democratic firebrands back I think on the argument that hey the elections coming up and that you know if you make Trump into some kind of martyr it might actually help him get reelected but just let me say quickly in response to where jesse was saying Jesse this is not again a street criminal activity you've got to understand that when Trump says to his Lord to Don Magan go fly or Trump call me back go fire muller call me back what are you talking about that's that's on the record that's in the report you can read it let's say I did read the report I'm glad you brought that up one because here's the truth about this they got caught Muller's team overcooking this statute whatever it is US code 15 1 c2 this is a statute that they use against multinational companies for auditing irregularities and for shredding documents they creatively empowered this statute to make any executive action criminal so and they actually brought that up saying they said Barack Obama could be charged under the over interpretation of this statute when he went on the record and said that Hillary Clinton's email server was not that big of a deal and wasn't a threat to national security that's how convoluted and created the use this statute is caught them red-handed trying to pull that and that's what she does to get oh well you should be celebrating what happened today instead you're in the weeds and you're just distracting the reality those aren't facts those are you going off on some crazy very happy one I want to add something to that very quickly it's you know Democrats were hoping that this would be the kind of big splash that eclipses the IG report that's coming out and and they also it was very necessary for them to have Moeller testify before we get that if you remember he was supposed to testify last week and obviously you know this was put off by a week for some very very obvious reasons and you know Robert Miller came out himself and unfortunately said in writing and in person that he did not want to testify and it's obvious why and you know we don't know what's going to be in that IG report but there are many people who are starting to string some of these facts together who realized that that is an ugly necklace that can hang Democrats and this issue one at the end of the day the president tweeted out truth is a force of nature earlier on I believe this was after the conclusion of the first hearing with the Judiciary Committee today he sent out and this is the first part of a tweet I would like to thank Democrats were holding this morning's hearings this is after he was fearing this morning about molars aide being president present and then he sort of changed his mind as the morning went on do you think that Democrats are going to regret this regret getting Robert Moeller in there for these hearings today no I you know if terms of moving the needle in terms of the politics of it I don't think that anybody who had an opinion going in changed it and I think the Democrats had hoped that they would push especially independent voters based on the credit ability of robert muller as a war hero a longtime FBI director i don't think that happens so if that's what the democrats are hoping for elect them they do not as well want i mean that was very necessary for democrats today because impeachment has not been pulling well for them oh no but remember impeachment among democrats posed very well so what you've got to understand is the dynamic inside the democratic caucus which is why chris wallace was saying nancy pelosi actually may be quite grateful for what happened because now some of those fires may be pulling back but in terms of the democratic base there's no question they'd like to see trump impeached now you have a question what do we do going forward you get this big august break coming up as we come back in september are the democrats gonna come back to this because believe me adam shift adam shift is not going away the whole talk of impeachment of this guy not going and i know that just you had some sort of reaction when i said at the top of the show that there was disappointment on both sides and I was only alluding to the fact that Republicans did go into this hoping and wishing to dig in deeper to the origins of the investigation Robert Moeller made it very clear at the top of the hearing this morning that he would not go there yes we thought you said Jesse I don't know you know what here's the deal I'm more I'm more interested in how the media is gonna portray this now because I can't tell the difference between the media reaction and the Democratic reaction they're sweaty feverish anti-trump hatred makes it hard for anyone to take their righteous shrill end of the world shrieking today seriously every since every day is the apocalypse when you come to this hearing no one's listening no it's it know everybody is tuned out but us because we've been through we don't trust what we hear imagine if the media hadn't given in to their bitter emotions after being humiliated in 2016 if CNN hadn't been fear-mongering or had a 12-person panel call everybody racist people might actually listen to this stuff too late let's go to the media stuff because today's hearings were also a major bust for the media remember these are the same people spent years pushing a phony Trump Russia collusion conspiracy theory and then they hyped for months at Mulder's testimony would finally get Trump but of course none of that happened here's the best of the media's Muller meltdown from the Democratic perspective to me so far it's been a bit of a bust if you are telling a story particularly through a congressional hearing what you really want is the witness to tell the story Bob Mueller's grasp and presentation of the underlying facts was not very detailed the shortcoming is in appearing to not know basic fact patterns they fumbled the entire accountability a mission that they were supposed to be on his last item up on optics this was a disaster so notice how the media is completely obsessed with the optics of this because it's always been about the optics it's never been about the substance it's always been the optics of proving Trump guilty in the world of public opinion and getting the rest of the country to follow along but the problem is when you shift the focus and you lessen the focus it erodes whatever goal you ultimately have and you know for people like Chuck Todd in the media and and certainly for congressional Democrats they want that focus to be impeachment but you know when you move from conspiracy to collusion to well this is a little bit unethical that's very problematic when you're trying to make a forceful point and you you can really sense the disappointment and you have to ask if you're so disappointed what did you expect from today and how did you think the outcome was going to be any different from this I think they thought Greg that the Democrats on the committee could sell it yeah but apparently you know the OLC opinion dawn McGann and Rosenstein can't really sell a political scandal the way maybe a burglary and dead by Broadway and they had the edge I mean the part the party in the media work hand in hand I was I said at the gym like it was a hundred and forty minutes I was there see CNN's lower third was Muller Muller Trump was not exonerated so they just went with that so Carnival News Network only had one the bars change what the first thing yes yeah that's all they had they and bitten the problem is they can't report on the good news because that's linked to Trump so they are so they have this that they they seize on the only thing they can't because they don't care really about how good the country is going they just want revenge for what happened to them humiliated I did something can I jump in here it wasn't Trump saying all along and he believed me you talk about media his use of Twitter his use of social media Facebook all the people he's had over the White House who support him online wasn't Trump the one that's saying this is a witch-hunt this Russia stuff is a hoax wasn't he the one that said Muller wants a the Democrats and Muller want a second bite of the Apple I mean he was going at it in terms of his media his bubble yeah and he's getting through a message and guess what it wasn't what he said that's why I said to Jessie you guys should have been saying oh no obstruction no collusion let's have him in here let's get Muller and from the point that guess what this president can be if it's not for okay wait not two years wait six years and then you could lock Trump up Sandra I think one of the main takeaways from this today was that a lot of the American public maybe that hadn't been following this are hearing things from the very first time because they did a study Mr TV about how the networks have portrayed this entire Russia investigation 1.5 percent of the coverage was on the text messages the dossier one point three percent of the coverage the FISA abuse 0.8 percent of the code the country doesn't even know unless you watch fox or read certain things on Twitter about the corrupt origins of the investigation well I think and only time will tell and again we're waiting to hear from Democrats this evening further reaction how they're going to proceed after these hearings are at the bar I wasn't at the gym when I saw this headline I was working getting ready for a stair climber watching the New York Times headline out of the gate was Republicans attack molars investigation at hearing trying to portray Republicans in that room the first hearing room is going on the attack and you know perhaps that was the way that they were dealing with robert muller appearing sort of week as you heard from even some Democrats and the media throughout the process but how else are you supposed to get answers right and also the Judiciary Committee is full of lawyers you know you have a bunch of former prosecutors on that committee who are going to ask questions in a certain way some to better effect than others my biggest problem was that robert muller was the one who decided what he was going to talk about and was that something that he negotiated with chair Jerry Nadler and ranking member doug collins because when when things got difficult for him instead of answering the question he would just say no I'm not going to that's not in my purview if magically the certain things were not in his purview although we're talking like fusion Jace's for the investigation and that seems like a pretty critical link in this investigatory change what's amazing they actually held mock mock hearings I mean they have to practice for them there's a mock hearing probably went better than the real ear hey one quick question the fact that the media who we all know is one sided they all hate Trump but the fact that the media would admit on live TV that this thing was a catastrophe how bad was it actually for Democrats because they didn't even trace this back to say if you have to say the media was honest because you agree with them right you think this did not go well for Democrats only well this is with me or Mabel sorry you got to agree but you know it to me the big news here again is that there are facts out there and people tomorrow morning when they pick up the so-called media I don't care if it's on the left or the right are gonna see oh you guys guess what he said he said that you can't indict a sitting president under policy he didn't make that determination because of policy so what he questioned Republican support also the president circle for obstruction and then that would have made the president an unindicted co-conspirator why didn't he do that I don't know why he didn't wind up if you read what he says no one in the micro violence even in the might hold on even in the Michael Cohen situation with the payoffs to women he is identified


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