Sarah Burns: “The Central Park Five” | Talks at Google

Sarah Burns: “The Central Park Five” | Talks at Google

FEMALE SPEAKER: It really means
a lot to us for you to come in here for this next 45
minutes and be with us. So I just wanted to start out
with asking Sarah, how did you first hear about this story? SARAH BURNS: Well, I was too
young in 1989 to have known about this case. And so I didn’t learn about it
until 2003, when I was in college, and I spent a summer
working for a civil rights lawyer who was involved
in the civil suit that’s now ongoing still. In 2003, it had not been filed
yet, and today it is almost 10 years old. But I learned about
the case then by working with these lawyers. And I actually met Raymond
and Kevin that summer. And I was just so outraged by
the story, and so interested, and it sort of fit with
what I was studying. And so I ended up writing
my senior essay in college about it. And then a couple years later
decided that I wanted to know more about it, and really
tell the story. And so I wrote the book. And pretty early on in that
process, then we decided– documentary filmmaking is the
family business for me. And so it was so obvious that we
had to make this film, that this was such an important
story, and one that people really didn’t know. People often think they know
something about it. They’ve heard some of it. But the fact that the
convictions were vacated in this case, most people we talked
to didn’t know that. And so we felt it was really
important just to, if nothing else, set the record straight
about what happened here. But I think there are also
a lot of really important lessons to be learned from
this story about false confessions, about this sort of
rush to judgment that came in the media, and really for
everyone that sort of bought this story that the police
provided and really believed it. And so I think that trying to
understand those forces are really important, not just for
understanding this case but for thinking about how this
happens and why it happens and how we can prevent it from
happening again. FEMALE SPEAKER: Korey, what did
you think when Sarah came to you and said that she wanted
to write the book? KOREY WISE: Well, she had called
me, and when she had called me, I was just so caught
up in my own little world, I didn’t remember our
conversation until she had reminded me. And I said, sure. FEMALE SPEAKER: What
about you, Raymond? What was your first reaction? RAYMOND SANTANA: Well,
basically, because I had met Sarah back in ’03, and she had
done the paper, through conversation and her knowledge
of all the facts in the case, and then going into the book, we
had developed a friendship by that time, and so the trust
was already there. And we knew that the movie was
going to be told right, because Sarah knew
all the facts. She really did her research. And we were really impressed
with this young lady that took an interest and stood out. And she was willing to put her
life kind of on hold to help us out, and we were very
grateful for that. FEMALE SPEAKER: And we’re going
to see a clip in just a few minutes that shows a little
bit more about what happened where the film left off
when all of you boys were picked up– boys at the time,
14 to 16 years old. But Sarah, could you talk
a little bit more– I mean, we set up the climate
in New York at the time, but what was it like? What explains that
this happened? SARAH BURNS: Yeah. What you’ve seen here is
basically just meeting the characters in our story, these
five men and also the City of New York, which is a really
important character. And I think you see
here it’s very different than it is today. I don’t know how many of you
were living here in ’89, but it was a very different city. And so I think part of
understanding the reaction to the case is understanding what
was going on– these sort of incidents that had happened in
the decade leading up to it that had sort of increased
racial tension and made people very aware of this sort of
us-versus-them thing that was happening in the city that this
case really fit into. Basically, what happens– I guess I’ll kind of catch you
up just a little bit to the clip that we’re going
to see next. This group of teenagers,
including our five, go into the park this night
in April 1989. And some of them are arrested
leaving the park because some people in this larger group
had harassed, and in some cases, assaulted some joggers
and bicyclists in the park. And not everyone in
the group and– but there were a few crimes
that were committed there. And so some of these
kids are picked up. And then a few hours later, the
police discover a woman who had been jogging in the park
who was found near death, who had been brutally
raped and beaten. And it’s a miracle that
she survived. It was really a horrific
crime. And so they jumped to the
conclusion that these kids who had been in the park were
responsible for this crime, and they began interrogating
them with that assumption, certain that they were talking
to the guilty parties and using every tactic they had
in their arsenal to get confessions. FEMALE SPEAKER: And we’ll see
that clip in a moment. But just to reiterate, so you
guys didn’t know each other, necessarily– KOREY WISE: No. FEMALE SPEAKER: –that night. Did you, Raymond? Had you kind of seen the
other four guys, or? RAYMOND SANTANA: No. I didn’t know any of
them on that night. So that’s why when you look back
at the statements and how the whole case unraveled, it’s
pretty easy to see how that can happen, especially when
you don’t know them. In Korey’s instance,
he knew Yusef. And so they were really
good friends. And you’ll see the clip– well,
I don’t know if you guys will see the clip in the movie,
but if you get to see the movie, it tells you how
the police stopped Yusef. And they have his name on a
list, but Korey’s name isn’t on the list. And because their friendship
was so strong, the police said, well, just come with
him, and you’ll be back. And he wound up coming
back 13 years later. So– FEMALE SPEAKER: There’s these
four different confessions that are totally mismatching. How does it end up that
they end up in prison? SARAH BURNS: Right. Ultimately, this is just a
portion of what happens in the interrogations. Later, they pick up Korey and
Yusef and interrogate them. And ultimately, four of the
five that we’re getting to know give these videotaped
statements, which end up being this really powerful
piece of evidence. They’re these sort of
rehearsed things. They’ve already given written
statements, the police have sort of fed all of the
information, and they give these statements, and
that’s what gets presented to the jury. And it’s very convincing. It’s hard for people to
understand why someone would falsely confess. And so it was really important
to us in the film to really try to understand– and these guys explained
it so well– try to understand how
that could happen. Because the jury looked at that
and believed it, even though, as he has said, the
details were wrong. Antron talks about describing
a different person than what he was wearing. That’s not what the jogger
was wearing. They get the location
of the attack– everything is wrong. And the amazing thing is that
people so wanted to believe this story. The police wanted
to believe it. They wanted to have
the right guys. And they shared this with the
media as if it were fact, and people just bought it. And so later on, they
start getting forensic evidence back. DNA tests are negative. There’s no blood anywhere
in this incredibly bloody crime scene. There’s no blood anywhere
on any of these guys. And they just plow ahead,
with really terrifying consequences. FEMALE SPEAKER: Raymond, during
the trial, you must have been thinking, like,
there’s no way that this is going to happen, right? RAYMOND SANTANA: Well,
basically, because we were still young, it kind
of goes over your head, the whole scene. You’re kind of numb to it. And there was a part during
trial where the lawyers took us in the back and they said,
you know, we’re looking to get a plea deal because we’re
going to lose this case. And so they wanted to negotiate
a plea deal, but it had to be all three
of us, which is me, Yusef, and Antron. And we looked at each other,
and were like, no. We’re not taking a plea deal. We didn’t do it. And I remember Yusef was– and at that point, I had
over a year and a half incarcerated. And so I would have benefited
if I would have taken a plea deal. But I remember Yusef was really
gung-ho, and he stuck to his guns and he
was like, no. They can give me my life
and a day, and I’m just going to do it. But I’m not going to cop
out to something that we didn’t do. And we were like, yeah,
you’re right. And we stuck to it. FEMALE SPEAKER: Yeah. And then you two, Korey and
Raymond, end up spending 7 to 13 years in prison. KOREY WISE: Did the Rikers
Island thing– RAYMOND SANTANA: Yeah. FEMALE SPEAKER: Yeah. KOREY WISE: –for about,
what, two years. And it was mainly just
that, just going back and forth to court. Learning whatever I
could learn about myself and the case. FEMALE SPEAKER: Yeah. And you talk a lot in the film
about having to grow up, and that’s no way to grow up– being boys in there
amongst other men. KOREY WISE: No. FEMALE SPEAKER: So if you, of
course– and I want to make sure we get a chance
to take questions– but fast forward in the film,
and you heard the voice of Matthias Reyes at the beginning confessing to the crime. Korey, you actually ended up
having two encounters with him when you were in prison. Could you tell us about that? KOREY WISE: Oh, boy, boy, boy. My boy, destiny. That’s what it was– destiny. “Good Day New York” would
have a great one. Destiny. When I was on the streets as
a kid, I watched a program called “Video Music Box” with
Ralph McDaniels, who would do hip hop and R&B. So I
was very into that. That’s the only thing that’s
good for the neighborhood. So I brought it with me to
Rikers Island, unexpectedly, but I brought it with me, just
the mind state of “Video Music Box.” I became a porter there. I lived in a box in the Bronx. The box is called
23 Hour Lock In. So the officers, for my two
years I was there, when they got to work, about 10 to 3:00,
they let me out of my cell. So every time I came out of my
cell, I thanked them for doing it, because they
didn’t have to. So I came out, cleaned
up, and [INAUDIBLE]. And it was also called
CMC housing– Centrally Monitored Case. And I had quite a few people
down there with me. So I came out. I went to the day room door,
opened it up, and they had hollered at the bubble where
the officer was at, so they could put the television on. So they did that. So I had turned on the channel
of “Video Music Box.” But it didn’t come on yet. It was about a good five minutes
before it came on. So I did that, turned it up
a little bit, and get the cleaning stuff ready to clean
up before dinner come in. So as I’m doing my cleaning,
I’m hearing doors open up, cells over my head open up. So 3:00, they came in, and I’m
hearing “Video Music Box” going on in the day room. So the two end gates for the
north and south opens out, because some of my CMC
colleagues was on the other side on their way to my
side, to the day room. So I didn’t hear the
music no more. I don’t know whether I wasn’t
paying attention to it or not, but I didn’t hear the music. So I stopped what I was doing,
and I went on to the day room. And when I got to the day room
door, my destiny was standing in front of television. FEMALE SPEAKER: And that
was Matthias Reyes– KOREY WISE: Right. FEMALE SPEAKER: Who
was another– KOREY WISE: And I just told him,
I said, excuse me, can you put it back on the channel
that was there? He said, I’m not
watching that. So I said, I was. But you’re doing something. Don’t worry about
what I’m doing. Please put it back
and just relax. And long story short,
we went to blows. And so after we went
to blows, I guess– but when I saw him about
a year or two ago– FEMALE SPEAKER: Yeah,
so then about, what? 10 years later– SARAH BURNS: 13, yeah. FEMALE SPEAKER: –you end up– 13 years later– KOREY WISE: Yeah. FEMALE SPEAKER: –you end
up seeing him again. KOREY WISE: Well, I saw him,
and when I saw him, he was playing stick ball. So he was in– and I guess, when he did
come see me, I guess word got back to him. I don’t know. But when he did see me, he
just said, hey, Wise. I was on the basketball court
just waiting for those doors to open up, because we
all just came out of the program there. It was about 5,000 of
us out in the yard. And when he called me,
I looked at him. He said, yo, Wise. I said, hey, what’s up? So, you’re Wise? Yeah. You got mail for me? He said, no. I’d like to apologize to you. He had his own intentions. But I said, apologize
to me for what? No, because we had a fight
over the television. Oh, don’t worry about it. We’re here, don’t
worry about it. It’s not going to do
nothing with me. Don’t worry about it. No, you always maintain,
you know. But I didn’t know he was going
to be the destiny to this. FEMALE SPEAKER: Yeah. So shortly after that, he
ends up confessing. SARAH BURNS: Soon after he
apologized to Korey about that incident, he started asking
around and talking to people in the prison and ultimately
confessed that he had raped the Central Park Jogger and
that he had done it alone. And that began an exhaustive
reinvestigation by the district attorney’s office
into his story. And they tested his DNA, and it
matched the single sample of DNA that had been present
at the crime scene from the beginning that had, of course,
matched none of the five. And it matched Reyes. And they checked out his story,
and it fit the details of the crime in a way that these
statements taken within days had not. And so ultimately, the district
attorney’s office joined in a motion to vacate
the convictions, which happened in 2002. FEMALE SPEAKER: Raymond,
what was it like when– how did you find out that the
convictions had been vacated? RAYMOND SANTANA: Well, was I was
serving a three and a half to seven year sentence at
Franklin Correction Facility for possession with the
intent to distribute. And they brought me back down
to Downstate, which is indoctrination into the
Department of Corrections. And so it was there that
they brought me– and I didn’t know it was
officers at first. And they were trying to conduct
an interview with me. And their line, their reason was
that they wanted to change juvenile laws. So they looked at our case,
and they just wanted some information. But they kept asking about
Patricia Meili. And so I kept asking why, and
they wouldn’t tell me. So we went on with
the meeting. And then afterwards, I wind
up calling my dad. And I said, you know, they
brought me back down here, and they’re asking about the case. But, at that point, he
had known already. The information got to him. But I didn’t know. And so he says, well,
you know sit down. I’ve got something
to tell you. And I’m like, well what
you got to tell me? And he’s like, just sit down. I’m like, well, what? What is it? We’ve got six minutes
on this phone. SARAH BURNS: Right. RAYMOND SANTANA: And he goes,
well, you know, they found the guy that did your case. And I’m like, what? What are you talking about? And he says, yeah. They found the guy that
did your case. You’re going to be
coming home soon. And I don’t want to go into–
and so what happens is I didn’t believe him. I was like, what? Get out. And I said, you know what? I’ll talk to you later. And I really hung up on him. FEMALE SPEAKER: He
hung up on him. RAYMOND SANTANA: I
hung up on him. And I went back to my cell and
I thought about it, and I was like, well, did they really
find this dude? And it’s been so long. And I was really doubtful. And I thought that they would
just try to make him the sixth man and then just try to
sweep it under the rug. And I was in denial all the way
until almost my release. Yeah. FEMALE SPEAKER: And not only had
Matthias Reyes raped other women and beat them before the
night that you see in the film, but having gone free, he
went on to do that in the weeks after, too. RAYMOND SANTANA: To add on to
what you just said, when he went and confessed to the
district attorney’s office during the investigation,
they didn’t believe him. And so what he did was he went
on to solve, like, four unsolved cases. And then that’s when they
took him serious. SARAH BURNS: Right. He had been arrested later in
1989 and eventually pled guilty to a series of rapes,
including a rape-murder that he committed, unrelated to
this case, that he had committed through that
same summer. And so he was serving a life
sentence starting at around that same time. But the fact that they had
overlooked this evidence that was there, that existed even
in those days, that he was responsible for the Central
Park Jogger rape not only meant that these guys spent
many years in prison for something they didn’t do but
also that Reyes was left on the street to commit these
other crimes that he was eventually convicted of. Yeah. FEMALE SPEAKER: So I want to see
if anybody in the audience wants to ask any questions, and
I’ll probably just repeat it so that it can be heard. RAYMOND SANTANA: Don’t all
raise your hand at once. FEMALE SPEAKER: Yeah. AUDIENCE: I’m just wondering
when was the first time that attorneys became involved,
like during questioning? FEMALE SPEAKER: Yeah. The question is, did you have
any attorneys during questioning, like when you were
being interrogated when they first picked you up? KOREY WISE: No. RAYMOND SANTANA: No. Basically, at that point,
because we were so young, a lot of that goes
over your head. You don’t know what Miranda
Rights are. You don’t know to say, hold
on, I need an attorney. All you’re saying is
where’s my dad? Where’s my mom? That’s the first person
you’re looking for. And even when they come, the
police have a way of maneuvering around that, which
you’ll see in the film. So if they want you that bad,
they’re going to do everything they have to. FEMALE SPEAKER: Yeah. And you talked about in the
film, Sarah, the immense pressure to make sure
that someone was brought to justice. SARAH BURNS: Sure. I mean, I think the police knew
right away that this was going to be a big story, that
it happened in Central Park, and the sort of nature
of the crime. I think there was an immediate
understanding that this was a case that they were going to be
under a lot of pressure to solve quickly. And they were determined
to do that. They had this idea, and they
went with it, and they used all their tricks. And the power dynamic in an
interrogation room between seasoned homicide detectives
with 20 years of experience and a 14-, 15-, or 16-year-old
is pretty extraordinary. They were all read their Miranda
Rights, but people don’t understand what
that means. And this is sort of before the
days of “Law & Order” even, when everyone is kind of
familiar with these rituals. You don’t know what that means
when you’re a kid, and you don’t have the support. And the police are telling
you that you’re not really in trouble. We just need to ask you
a few questions. And they have these ways of
sort of glossing over this stuff and keeping the parents
at bay and sort of keeping everyone in the dark
about what their intentions really are. And the interesting thing is
that there were a large group of kids who had gone to the park
that night, and most of them, at some point over these
couple of days, were brought in and interrogated. And some of those kids had
records or had been in trouble before, or some of them
had parents who– someone’s parents worked in
corrections and sort of knew a little bit more about
this system. And so those were the kids who
said, I want a lawyer, or I’m not going to say anything. And so ultimately, people
sometimes ask me, well, why did the police target these five
out of all these kids? They targeted everyone, and I
think that these guys were, in some ways because of their
innocence, the most vulnerable. They were the ones who hadn’t
been arrested, who hadn’t been in trouble, who didn’t know how
to navigate the system. And their parents and guardians,
to the extent that they were there, didn’t know
that either, didn’t have experience with that, and didn’t
know what to do or how to help them. FEMALE SPEAKER: Yep. Other questions? Yeah. Over here. AUDIENCE: Yeah. I’m curious– given that you were so young
when you were arrested, you weren’t finished school
by that time. Have you been able to
finish school since? And also, when you were in
prison, was there any attempt to give you the schooling that
you were missing by not being on the outside? RAYMOND SANTANA: Yeah. I was going to the ninth
grade at that time. And so I was in eighth grade. And I wound up doing the rest of
the eighth grade in SPOFIT. And then I remember my junior
high school graduated me to high school. And so I was in with
[INAUDIBLE]. My father was was receiving
cut cards when I was in prison. FEMALE SPEAKER: Oh, jeez. RAYMOND SANTANA: Yeah. And so after I was convicted
and I reached Goshen Secure Center, there was a program that
I was able to get my GED, and I was able to go to college
and get an associate’s degree before Pataki
cut the program. Yeah. FEMALE SPEAKER: I think we
have time for one more question, then we’ll
have to wrap it up. AUDIENCE: What about
you, [INAUDIBLE]? FEMALE SPEAKER: Oh, excuse me. Korey? SARAH BURNS: You got
a GED, right? Yeah. KOREY WISE: Right before I got
kidnapped, I got it in Stevenson High School
in the Bronx. And then later on, as I went
through, they were still trying to make me do the whole
high school thing again because they had– well, when you transition
like that, you have to start brand new. So shortly after that, I found
myself trying to do the college before the Pataki
took it out. FEMALE SPEAKER: Yeah. And they ended up stopping
the education program. RAYMOND SANTANA: Right. SARAH BURNS: They cut funding
for the program that made that possible. FEMALE SPEAKER: One
more question. AUDIENCE: What do you want the
audience to take away from the film, and what’s been
the reaction? SARAH BURNS: Well, we actually
just had a really amazing screening last night as part of
the DOC NYC Film Festival, where we had all five of the
Central Park Five together on stage, and together in the same
place for the first time since they were arraigned in
1989, which was a pretty amazing experience. I know it was for me. I think it was for the
audience, too. FEMALE SPEAKER: Yeah. SARAH BURNS: And we’ve really
been having a great experience showing it to some audiences
and having– I mean, you guys can talk about
a little bit of what that feels like for you,
to get that kind of response that you have. But as far as what I
would hope people take away from it– as I said before, part
of this is about just informing people. This is what happened. But we always made this film
not as a whodunit. This wasn’t a question. We learned about this
case knowing that these guys were innocent. But as a how did this happen. And so I think understanding
the ways that this happened and the sort of mechanisms by
which a miscarriage of justice like this happens is a really
important first step, and hopefully the beginning of a
conversation about how do we fix those things and how
do we prevent this from happening again? Because I think that despite the
fact that New York is very different now than it was then,
I think that not enough has changed, and certainly
something like this, I believe, could happen again. The interrogation tactics
are exactly the same. And there’s still, to this day,
no sense among the NYPD that they even did anything
wrong or even that they got this wrong. They’ve resisted even the idea
that the convictions should have been vacated. FEMALE SPEAKER: Yeah. RAYMOND SANTANA: Yeah. SARAH BURNS: So I say we still
need to be talking about this. FEMALE SPEAKER: Korey and
Raymond, what has it been like having to relive and
retell this story? KOREY WISE: [INAUDIBLE] to my destiny, it’s really
still beyond me. I’m still walking on
clouds right now. Because [? real ?] talk. I have no animosity towards my
brothers, but there was far from a [? model ?]
on Rikers Island. I just responded. I just responded. And as of now, I’m glad that
I’m alive, as well as my brother, Raymond, and the
rest of the guys, Kevin, Yusef, McCray. I’m glad we’re all
alive to tell our own individual stories. And so the world, who’s been
hearing so much of the nasty of it, they can finally see and
they can put this to rest. FEMALE SPEAKER: Yeah. Raymond? RAYMOND SANTANA: For me,
basically, back in 1989, we were 14-, 15-, and 16-year-olds when this story happened. And we were taken away– our
voices were gone, also, through the whole process. So you never got to hear
Raymond, Korey, and the rest of the guys’ stories. All you got to read was what
the media put together, the interviews that they conducted
in our neighborhoods, and how they dissected our lives, but
you never got to hear us. And then we were also replaced
with Wild Thing, Urban Terrorists, rapists,
Wolf Pack. And so that became what was
associated with us. The Central Park Five label was
something really negative. And so what this movie does for
us is restore us and gives us back our voices. And what you guys do for us is
when you watch this movie and you respond and you engage in
conversation with us and you talk about how you feel and how
it makes you outraged, and that’s part of the healing
process for us– to see the response that we get
from you guys now, because in ’89, there was nothing
but negative responses. And now, in 2012, it’s
nothing but positive. And so it helps us
a great deal. And what we want you guys to
take away from the movie is also that we’re not animals,
that we are human beings and we were kids. And we want you to indulge in
discussions with other people, like Sarah said, and
find ways of how we can put this to rest. FEMALE SPEAKER: Yeah. Go ahead, Korey. KOREY WISE: As a hip hop fan,
the world Wild Thing that I’m hearing so much about, it came
from a hip hop artist by the name of Tone Loc. He’s more West Coast. He had an old song called “Wild
Thing.” and it went from there to commercials, and it
started talking about food. But when I was in Central
Bookings, I was hearing– I don’t know where I was hearing
it from, but I was hearing “Wild Thing.”
I was hearing it. So when I was hearing it later
on, it was picked up and made a negative out it. It was positive, made a
negative out of it. But it was picked up. The media, they made
a negative– that was out there,
[? “Wild Thing.” ?] So that’s about it. RAYMOND SANTANA: Yeah. FEMALE SPEAKER: And I know that
there’s nothing that can give back what you
were taken away. But if people do want to help,
there is an ongoing case. It’s now been nine years– a civil suit against the city. And I know that you guys can’t
talk about it too much, but the hearing is upcoming
on December 17. And if you are moved by this,
you can write letters to Mayor Bloomberg and others to let them
know that we all know the truth about what happened. RAYMOND SANTANA: Yeah. It’s all about the numbers
at the end of the day. That’s what they respect– how do people come out, how you
support, how you react, what’s your feedback. We have a Facebook page, The
Central Park Five, that is growing daily. We’re always on Facebook
and Twitter trying to put the word out. So we encourage you guys to come
on out and stand with us. KOREY WISE: Every month that I
find myself in this federal building without my coworkers
with me– codefendants with me– this city loves it. They love not seeing no
media or supporters. They love it. RAYMOND SANTANA: Yeah. KOREY WISE: They love it. They love it. And recently, when people have
been coming out, the city’s been getting nervous. Trust me. And for the first time, when I
saw the judge, when he came out from his chambers to the
courtroom and he saw, he had to take a double take. He damn near caught a
heart attack that he didn’t expect that. He said, what– did I miss something here? What’s happening? FEMALE SPEAKER: I bet. RAYMOND SANTANA: Yeah. KOREY WISE: So it helps. And like I said, with
it, I pray. As a spiritual person, I pray
that within my soul for something like that to come
about because it was just eating me up alive
for so long. Coming up in there, there’s no
rhythm going on up there. They’re just dragging. The city’s just dragging,
talking about nothing. They’re just dragging. Nothing. FEMALE SPEAKER: Yeah. Well, thank you for telling your
story, and the film, and the book, and being here. I’m sure it’s really difficult,
but we really appreciate it. And thank you, Sarah. And she made the film with
her husband Dave and her father Ken. Thanks to you all for making
the story happen. SARAH BURNS: Thank you.


100 thoughts on “Sarah Burns: “The Central Park Five” | Talks at Google”

  • I feel bad for every single one of them but my main focus will always be on Korey. None of them deserved that, but especially NOT him. He was never supposed to be there and I think that’s what has everybody so distraught. He was only trying to be a good friend. He was the only smart one who decided not to go. And if you watched “ when they see us “ it kind of pissed me off when korey told Yusef to come on and Yusef just stood there.

  • That prosecutor Linda Fairstein must pay for her crimes and go to jail getting her fired is not enough she is a criminal and so it’s the people that worked around her in their case

  • Angelica Ponce says:

    Korey suffered the most! Poor kids! Honestly one apology it's not enough! He suffered for 15 years!! 15 long years the life of the 5 kids changed abruptly knowing that they were innocents!

  • Wow! Why is cops, Prosecutors, judge and Linda are not in jail yet? Oh I forgot are system protect them.
    But the real question here is who protect those 5 kids they spend many year of their lives for something they never do.
    How you give them back prom, dates, friends back to this kids.
    Please do justice to them prosecutor all this people involved in this case from the investigators to judges that’s the only way we will see JUSTICE!!
    Now police wonder why people don’t trust police any more .

  • I hope they weren’t drugging korey while putting him in the box. Sometimes cops drug them to calm them down

  • Naznet Tesfai says:

    I want to hear Cory interviewed independently by a qualified interviewer that won’t cut him off and recapture his message accurately and beautifully.

  • Korey ooh my my my I wish to have a friend like you, his heart is just on the next level, he's one of the 
    strongest human being ever……

  • Korey wise is a handsome strong man in make no mistakes God has even greater plans not only for him but all the men in this story and the men facing these challenges in jail and everday life. #Godsgotit

  • There cannot be any decent person alive who does not absolutely LOVE Korey Wise – and that is exactly as it should be. Prayers for all the exonerated 5 and thier families and loved ones. Korey is strong, special and sweet. May Gods Grace and mercy continue to cover him and make the rest of his life the best of his life.

  • Wait is anyone curious as to what happened to the girl korey was with at the beginning of the movie ? Did he see her after he came out?

  • 10:20 the main story starts.. I care for korey more.. The other guys just a sorry hug n bye.. BUT KOREY HAD IT THE WORST N DESERVES SO MUCH MOOREEE!

  • This case makes not want to believe in forgiveness. However Matias! Matias had the heart that the entire NYC police department did not have to confess. Korey. Man God be with you brother my heart goes out to you .

  • My ❤️goes to you kory you are one intelligent brave man and if you ever come to uk It would be a honer to meet you and your friends

  • Shaqueena Stovall says:

    It was white people who messed these black mens life up. Now here comes some more white folks tryna turn they lifestory into a book as if they care. Sarah is all about money just like the judge and the state attorney who wrongly convicted these men!!! Chile please these white folks are slick & nasty white devils. These black men still ain’t learn they lesson, stay out white folks face and when they question you, don’t answer them!!!

  • Shaqueena Stovall says:

    It was Kori who tied their conflicting story together but it was also Kori who ran into the real rapist who would eventually confess and get all the boys sentence overturned.

  • I could listen to korey all day
    Like literally
    I’m glad there’s another interview I never seen before

    I love his voice
    He still throws jokes in

    I know people get antsy listening to him because he seems challenged

    But I could patiently listen to him cuz I know what he wants to say and I love how he expresses himself

    He’s very detailed and I like it
    Some people might think he’s challenged and he’s rambling almost incoherently but he’s amazing to listen to

  • I dont know why Corey refers to Mattias Reyes as his boy or destiny because HE is the reason why he went to jail, he is the reason why he suffered, he is the reason why he lost his youth. So they way I see it he is just as responsible for everything as the police, the court system and everything else that was crucifying them. I am not having all that he decided to confess after 13 fucking years especially when he didn't have to serve the punishment for that particular crime. He is not your destiny never was and never has been. He will have to answer to God on day of judgement.

  • im not convinced they werent involved, the movie seemed one sided and kept attacking president trump, the confessions seem real to me.

  • Lifeof Marílyn says:

    Every time I see Korey I feel bad because he really didn’t get the same learning experience as the other boys nor did he get the same treatment as’s sad very sad 😞🙌🏽and when people make fun of him in the comments because of the way he talks and stuff like that it makes me feel like wow imagine that being you 😞😞🙏🏽

  • she kept rushing korey, like let him speak please. He’s trying to get his thoughts out. Lord. The impatience🙄

  • Aaliyah Kassim says:

    What I noticed is that hardly white people have commented on this and the ones that did said typical racist things , so This shows to me; that white people dont have the ability to empathize with other human beings. They lack the capacity to do so.

  • Angel Johnson says:

    Salute Ava.. For bringing this story back to light and creating change that is sure to come. May lawyera rise up. May other stories come to light. May we help other people im the justice system on behalf of these men stories. May this information not fall in vain.

  • Angel Johnson says:

    I was wondering why they said 2012. Sarah had made the film and thats why she was sitting next to them. This story people have been trying to tell

  • Summer Rosales says:

    It breaks my heart knowing everything they’ve been through .. but my heart breaks even more for korey .. I cannot help but have tears in my eyes just seeing how innocent & pure he still is 😔 . God bless you guys! I hope god sends all of you strength , healing & peace ❤️ .

  • “I lived in a box called 23 hour lock down” Jesus Christ he was in the little room no air conditioning no human interaction 23 hours a day 🥺😨

  • This is crazy. The same prosecutors office framed my uncle in the same month and year of a murder that he did not do. We are still going through the process of getting him exonerated. Check out his story……Korey has been through so much and he will never be the same. It was hard for me to watch the movie because I saw the similarities of what my uncle experienced. I can not imagine how they made it through this ordeal.

  • Apparently, many of you only became prevue to this case because of the Netflix movie, and some even comment as though this dais is in response to that. The case would resurface over time, but honestly, it was another crazy case from the 80s that flew off the radar for a bit. When this documentary was released I watched it immediately and repetitively. I watched it with other students. I watched it so much that although the Ava DuVernay series was heartfelt, I still felt like I had an intimate knowledge of the case because of the documentary. Every time I see a clip or comment I keep asking myself, why weren't these people concerned before? Why the fake outrage now? 1. We should know by now this type of injustice exists. 2. Is it because it's presented in another medium per say? That's what I would like to know at the risk of sounding arrogant. Why all the love now? And, do you have enough love to distribute to the perpetuation of injustice spread across the community or does it die when the series is not so fashionable? Anybody?

  • Magelia Perez says:

    Niamh Whelan…You could be right, but how could he not ? had to remember because he said he heard the cops beating Korey up in the next room !

  • Elizabeth Marshall says:

    God Bless these 5 strong men who endured to the very end, their story will never be forgotten and nobody should EVER have to deal with that, it's their testimony that I pray will touch this nation and open our eyes to see what is really happening!!! Stay strong and Encouraged, keep the faith.

  • Toyea Bollin says:

    I have nothing but compassion for Korey. I wonder does the girlfriend from back then see him or contact him with similar remorse or compassionate feelings

  • thank you for sharing your story.. Although it will Not change anything, my heart goes out to you men and pray you may find peace and happiness in your life.. It was a heartbreaking story. You all are such brave Men.. Many Blessings to you and your families.

  • Camillia Harris says:

    The lady interviewing them is so boring. She doesnt have any empathy or compassion. I cried watching the whole movie, " when they see us". We are not treated equally here. I pray all the boys to be healed and whole 100%.

  • Wow! Jharrel Jerome played Korey spot on. The voice, the mannerisms, everything is perfect. Bravo! I wish all five of these poor guys the best and hope they find some peace from it all.

  • Corey I'm sorry that this happened to you. I cried a lot for you watching the film. The other guys suffer too but you suffer 10 times more. They all got out and you was in jail . So sad. I know you still hurt and I hope you find love and healing

  • joni sillitoe says:

    I keep hearing them say that ppl wanted to know how this could happen and the answer comes very simply to me. It happened because of a corrupt police force and system. These officers new what they were doing was wrong and they should all be in jail!!!! Idk how those ppl lived with themselves over the years knowing what they had done.

  • professor plum says:

    These kids were guilty af. How the hell am i supposed to believe they got all those kids to act out how they held that poor lady down and beat her up….with the parents in the room???? The cops couldn't even question them without the parents. Wtf?

  • This came out in 2012. Theyre still doing interviews. They need a promotor. Sadly, this documentary was only on pbs. The majority of the people, havent even heard about this. Ken burns has tought me more usefull info than school

  • They need a pro promoter. They shouldnt have to do it all themselves. Its 2019 and STILL out there doing interviews. I would not want to keep talking about this all the time, if i was them. Is this all just about promoting this documentary? Its on pbs, more people need to watch this.

    I know some people say Netflix is propaganda, but its almost exactly the the same as this

  • Xx woah.its.kasandra Xx says:

    Does Korey normally talk like that or did the beatings in jail damage his jaw. BTW Korey had the biggest glow up

  • This is what Colin Kaepernick is protesting. (And the importance of Know Your Rights Campaign)

    The injustices of America

    Not the American flag
    I hope this story helps you understand

  • I really want to hear more about Korey and hear him speak. My heart hurts for him. Such a strong man who didn't deserve to go through all that

  • Korey you are blessed and amazing❤ continue your journey in life it's so much more important beautiful things for you❤, Blessings to all the men🙌🏾🙏🏾🤗 Thank you, Thank you😘

  • It's crazy they didn't believe Reyes' willful confession, yet they believed these boys committed the drone and forced a confession despite conflicting evidence and absolutely NO BLOOD on their clothing?!!?!! 🤯 This is insane

  • I agree with so many of the other comments regarding Korey – nothing but mass love, respect & prayers for him. I too pray he is surrounded with much love and support. He is such a handsome king today. This world is still cruel, continue to stay strong & blessed Korey! ❤️

  • so sad how you can see korey shake & stutter when he speaks about prison life. He is and forever will be traumatised. I want to give him a cuddle.

  • I blame Korey mom for not showing the support she should have and she wasn't going to see him cause if so he would never have been part of the 5 he wasn't even in the park

  • God's Grace and Favor is upon Korey's life. He went through the most hell, but he received the most strength, maintained a pure heart and had an unbreakable spirit.

  • When that lady said they targeted those 5 because of their innocence just shows you how police, prosecutors, etc. are some of the biggest bullying lowlifes around.

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