OB/GYN Doctor + Mother of Four + Social Media | How Does She Do It!?

OB/GYN Doctor + Mother of Four + Social Media | How Does She Do It!?


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to this video for me to tell you about our new merch, you came to this video because
of Mama Dr. Jones. Now Dr. Danielle Jones is in short a huge badass. She’s an OB/GYN
doctor, mother of four, is very active on Instagram and Youtube and is killing it on
both. And she has a lot of wisdom and perspectives and advice that I think is very beneficial
if you are a pre-med or a medical student. So, I met her a couple of months ago in San
Francisco, her and a lot of other social media influencers in medicine and it was a blast.
I think you guys are really gonna enjoy this. So, without further ado, here is Mama Dr. Jones.
Alright so Danielle, first of all, thanks for joining me. This is awesome to have you
here on my channel. Um, you know, the first thing that really struck me is that you seem
to be like superwoman. You are doing so many things, OB/GYN doctor, mother of four and
you’re also active on Youtube and Instagram. How do you manage to do so much with the same
24 hours that we all have? That’s a great question and people ask me all the time, uh,
and I don’t really have the answer. I mean part of it is that I just don’t like having
downtime and so I’m seriously bad about doing things that are just like taking a break and
hanging out. Um, and I don’t have a lot of other hobbies, so I guess this is kind of
my hobby. I mean, I enjoy doing social media things and so that has kind of come into this
being kind of my pass time. Um, I have a very supportive spouse, my kids are in school and
I’m home one day a week. So I usually spend that day focused on something that I wanna
do either for myself or if I feel like I need to be focusing more on them, I’ll keep one
of them home from school and we’ll do something special that day. So it really just depends,
I have kind of a philosophy about how I should be able to look back over the past few months
and see balance in the long term, not on a like day-to-day basis. And so a lot of time
what I’ll do is just kind of re-evaluate the past few weeks and figure out do I need to
be focusing on me today, do I need to be focusing on one of the kids or all of the kids, do
I need to be focusing on studying, prepping for oral boards, things like that. So, I don’t
know, I just try to use every single minute of my time to do something that fills me with
joy or accomplishes a goal that I am working towards. So you’re all about optimizing your
time, maximizing your time, I love that. What was the process like as a med student versus
as a resident versus as an attending, the balance between these different aspects, how
you changed your time management skills over the course of training? Yeah, so, my twins
were born in my fourth year of medical school, um, and before that, my time was my own, because
I mean, I guess as a med student you don’t really have control over your time but certainly
as compared to being a resident you do. Um, and then my twins were born, I went to
residency and I just really didn’t do anything else for those four years besides learning
how to be a really good doctor and learning how to be a good mom, ’cause I had two six-months-old
and it was just crazy working all those hours. So then when I got to my big kid job, I had
suddenly all this time and like I’m working part-time, technically “part-time” I mean
part-time for medicine it’s still definitely 40 hours almost every week, but it’s part-time.
I have a day or two days off a week depending on my call schedule. Um, and for the first
several months I just didn’t know what to do with myself. I – I’m like, “I have all
this time, I don’t know what to do with it and I was finally doing things I haven’t done
in a long time like getting my hair cut, and taking care of myself, and I got my nails
done.” I’m like, “I haven’t done this in forever.” So, then I decided I can’t just have all these
free time because I’m just gonna spend money or do some, I don’t know lay around and not
do anything, watch a bunch of Netflix. So, I had to come up with a hobby and it kinda
just blossomed into social media things and DIY projects that we do around the house and
stuff. So, I don’t know, I just like to use the time off that I have to do something that
fills me and it has gradually over the course of going through residency, and finishing
residency become me being able to focus more on things that fill our tank as a family and
fulfill our goals that we’re working towards. So I got two follow up questions to that;
The first is you said you have one or two days off per week, is that– does that mean
you’re working five or six days or does that mean like on – on weekdays? Weekdays off.
I have one or two weekdays off each week, so it’s confusing. So we have a call schedule
where I work a 24-hour call most weeks. If I am on a 24-hour call, I have a post-call
day, and then I have my day off week in the weekend. So most of the weeks out of these
seven days I have four days off, but one of them I’m post 24-hour call. Does that make
sense? Gotcha, thank you. So your Youtube, your Instagram, you have quite the following,
you’ve been taking off, people love your content. What – what is your channel and your Instagram
about and what are your goals in terms of social media and long term? Yeah, so, the
Instagram kinda started just as a way to almost market, because I was in a practice where
I couldn’t market, and then it very quickly became a way to speak to students or parents
or whoever. And I figured out that I wanted to get kind of out of the echo chamber, so
I love talking to medical students and certainly, a lot of my content is about things that premeds
or med students would be interested in. Um, things like timing of kids in medical school
and um, how I decided to be in this field and still have a family, things like that.
Um, but I also wanted to get my voice out of like the medical echo chamber, where we
would say things like, “vaccinate your kids” and everyone would say, “yeah, great idea”.
And I quickly realized like this is not accomplishing the goal if every person that you talk to
agrees with you. And so that kind of became one of my goals is to, it’s almost – some of
my content is almost mommy blogger content, because I feel like that’s where I can have
a difference, especially in women’s health. Talking to women who have things that they
want to know and don’t know who to ask them. So, one of my goals is just really good, evidence-based
information, if I’m sharing something on Youtube or Instagram it’s almost always got a source
linked if I’m talking about medicine. And I just like to go through articles and journal
pieces that are relevant to women and kind of break them down into what this means and
is it true or false and all of those things. Um, but then also showing people like women
in medicine, that you can have a family and do whichever field that you really feel drawn
to. And you can have balance no matter what field you’re in, as long as you make it a
priority and you know what balance looks like for you. So, you won’t ever be balanced if
you don’t really know what that means for you. Um, I knew that my time was super important
and that was something I wasn’t gonna compromise on. So when I was looking for my first job,
I wasn’t going to take a job where I didn’t feel like I had adequate time to do the things
that I like to do and to do new things and to spend time with my family. Awesome, so,
I – I got multiple now uh, follow up questions to that. So regarding having kids in residency,
I do have a lot of viewers who – who ask me about, hey, do you think it’s possible to
have kids in a surgical residency or in – in other challenging residency like OB/GYN? I’ve
obviously never been in that position so I can’t really offer good advice and good feedback.
What advice would you have for those students who are interested in doing something like
OB/GYN, Gen Surg, stuff like that and yet still have a family or start a family at that
point? Yeah, I think you know, if you know that when you’re applying to residency, then
make a conscious decision to observe what is happening when you’re interviewing for
residencies. It isn’t hard to pick up on which programs are supportive of people particularly
women. I see – I know that it’s really hard on men too and especially because it’s not
really thought of as okay for dads to take leave when they have kids, which honestly
I just find so absurd. But if you’re interviewing, take note of what’s happening, ask if anybody
has kids, ask what do you do if they’re sick? And if they say, oh, that just can’t happen.
I’ve really had somebody say that to me when I was interviewing for residency like 50 weeks
pregnant, you know what do I do if my kids are sick? I wasn’t looking for like, oh, you
just call in anytime your kids are sick, I was looking for, oh, you know we have this
network of babysitters that will step in at any moment and I found that in a lot of places.
Where they had like, oh, yeah we have a system for that, we all work together to share resources
and things like that but you’ll know if the program is not going to be supportive of that.
If you don’t know going in then it’s harder, but my personal philosophy is that medicine
is always going to be there. Medicine owes you nothing, people will always say there’s
no good time to have a family if you’re going into medicine and I just find that to be total
crap because it’s always a good time. You can put medicine on hold for nine months and
then however long after that to cook and have a baby if that’s what you want at that time.
So, I – you know, and like you know this having decided that you are on the path that you
wanted to be on and made a decision to change. That realizing that everything is a choice,
gives you a lot of freedom even if the choices are an easier choice that will take you somewhere
that you’re less happy and a really, really hard choice that you feel like actually makes
you happier, it’s still a choice. And it takes away the pressure of like, “oh my gosh I’m
stuck. I can’t do something”. Wise words. Philosopher Dr. Jones. There you go, add that one to my
CV. So, in terms of vaccinations, I wasn’t – I wasn’t super clear regarding uh, avoiding
like an echo chamber and still offering value. As a physician, um, I mean it’s – it’s clear
you are pro-vaccinations as are most physicians. Um, what do you mean by avoiding an echo chamber
and having this dialogue? Yeah so, it’s not necessarily getting into the anti-vaccination
community, it’s more finding people who are like me, because at some point in my life
I have been a mom that wasn’t a doctor. Not for very long, but for a little while and
while I was preparing to have my kids, I was still a student and I was reading a lot of
things and it was confusing and so I want my voice to be heard as it is normal to be
nervous about things like vaccinating your kids, especially when you hear all of this
information on the Internet, and it’s confusing and you don’t know what’s true and we all
just wanna do the best for our kids. And so, I find that my voice makes more sense to people
who are hesitant or confused not anti-vaccination and then I just felt like in the medical community,
if I only had people following who were physicians or soon to be physicians that it didn’t make
as much of a difference for me to be there talking about it because most of them already
understood all the evidence. So in terms of – in terms of choosing a specialty, did you
always know that it was gonna be OB/GYN or did you change your mind in med school as
most of us do? Yeah, absolutely not. I definitely thought I was going to do something that was
not surgical. I thought I would hate being in the OR and I honestly was scared about
picking OB/GYN or general surgery or something like that and having a family. And I knew
I wanted a family, I was married right before I started med school I got married and I – It
was terrifying, but I just loved it. I did my rotation and I fell in love with it and
I found it to be fun and gave me a lot of opportunity to really take care of people
for long periods of time and get to know them really well, but also still be in the operating
room and have kind of that instant gratification of being able to fix certain things by going
to the OR. So, I just liked the kind of variety and the breadth of what we were doing each
day rather than just – just being in the clinic or just being in the hospital. I got to do
kind of hospital work, clinic work, OR work, labor and delivery and like – I just like
– kind of like what I do in my day-to-day life I guess. I’m always mounting around and
doing a bunch of different things, that’s what I do at work too. So for those students
who maybe are not as familiar with OB/GYN, what does it entail? Like what is – what’s
obstetrics, what’s gynecology, what is your day-to-day like? Are you mostly doing one
or the other or do you have a balance of the two? Um, so obstetrics is anything dealing
with pregnancy or birth or the postpartum period and GYN is anything women’s health,
reproductive all those things. Um, I have a decent balance in my practice, some people
choose to have you know, mostly OB or mostly GYN, it really just depends. I feel like I
do a little bit of both almost every day, I really love operating, so I like to be in
the OR if I can. Now, please don’t hear that and think I’m just operating on everybody,
I know we always get that reputation like we just wanna do C-sections and stuff, that
is not – that is not true. Um, but yeah, in my day-to-day like today I was mostly in clinic,
on Wednesday I have three major surgery scheduled, so I’ll do that and then have a couple of
clinic patients. Um, sometimes I’m call so I will run, like next Wednesday I’m on call
so I’ll start at 7a.m and I’ll see clinic patients like a normal weekday, uh, do any
deliveries that come in for labor and delivery or any triages that come in who don’t have
doctors or their doctors are out of town, see any ER consults that come in, sometimes
emergency surgeries like ruptured ectopics and ovarian torsions and things like that.
Um, it really just depends, we’re all really just kind of bouncing around and taking all
the calls in the hospital for women’s health or pregnancy or related issues. So Danielle,
did you face any struggles or any obstacles in your journey from pre-med to med school
to residency to attending life? What were like the major obstacles that you faced, because
we all face some struggle or some challenge in our training? Yeah, I mean, there’s a lot
of little things along the way but the easy answer to that question is, I didn’t get into
medical school the first year I applied and I talked about this a little bit in a video
on my channel just about kind of my timeline and my journey to where I am now. But basically,
I decided late in college that I wanted to be a doctor, it had never been on my radar
before and I took the MCAT and applied and you can’t really just take the MCAT and apply.
All of you guys watching this know that because you’re potentially considering doing that
and like there’s a lot of prep work that goes into applying to medical school. Um, and I
got waitlisted and then I didn’t get in and it was like this very – you know, by that
point I had really thrown myself into this like this is what I wanna do. I was a psych
major in like I don’t know what else I’m gonna do with that deliver pizza, I don’t know what
you do. So I – I didn’t know what to do with my life and I had to decide like, do I need
to try again or do I need to find something else? And I kinda just sat down and thought
about it, what were my options? What would I be happy doing? And I decided I didn’t wanna
give up I wanted to try again. And so this took a lot of really objective self-reflection,
which is a very hard thing to do because when you put yourself on that application you think,”I
will be an excellent doctor and of course, they’re going to want me because why else
would I put this in my application if I didn’t think that that was what they would think
when they read it.” And you have to sit down and really look at it objectively, like what
made them not want me based on this application? And it may not be that they don’t want you,
it may be that you just didn’t communicate well enough in your application how wonderful
you are and what a great physician you will be. So, I kinda take a look at my application
and tried to put myself in the committee chair person’s body and think about the application
and make some big changes to it and I also retook the MCAT. I did a little bit better
but wasn’t drastically better but the next year I got way way more interviews. And I
think it really was just trying to objectively pick through my application and go how can
I make this like better? How can I better explain to them you know. I think I’m so great,
how can I get that onto this paper so that they will understand that also. Okay, I really
love that point because more often than not when applicants fail to get in, it’s not a
question of whether or not they’re gonna be good doctors or whether – it’s not about judgment
of them, it really is like you said a judgment of their application and not understanding
what it is that the admissions committees are looking for. And I – I do the same exact
strategy, I did it both on standardized test and when it comes to like admissions, put
yourself in the shoes of the people on the other side. So, the adcoms when they’re reading
your application, what are they thinking, right? So when you’re thinking that way, it’s
much easier to actually have a stronger application and increase your chances. So great point,
I love that Danielle. Is there, are there any parting words, any last pieces of advice
or wisdom, um, that you’d like to give my viewers, the – the pre-meds, the med students
out there? Yeah, so honestly and it was so great meeting you in California like, that
was so fun for me because my biggest piece of advice to everybody is just live your life
in a way that fulfills you. There is never a point where it is going to make sense for
your life to please other people more than it pleases you. So even if you have worked
your butt off to get to somewhere and then you decide I just think I would be happier
doing something else, just do it. So, obviously, you need to really evaluate what are the pro
and cons of each decision that I have to make but don’t be afraid to change the plan and
when you decide to change the plan be kind to yourself and give yourself the grace that
‘it’s okay, everybody doesn’t end where they think they’re going to end when they start
a journey and I certainly didn’t. My life looks very different now than I expected it
2-10 years ago and I think in the next 5 or 10 years there’s going to be major changes
in the way that I’m living my life and working and doing my job and parenting. So, you just
have to be okay with change and embrace it and as long as you’re making choices that
take you closer to your most fulfilled life, then that’s going to be the right decision
for you. Love it, awesome. You know one thing I really do appreciate, you definitely always
keep it real, you’re very open, very honest, very candid and I – I think – I think that’s
actually a big reason why you have grown so much. Like your Youtube and Instagram fans,
they’re so loyal, they love what you’re doing and I think you’re really offering so much
value to your viewers through that and it shows again with your, like you have been
taking off like crazy. So Um, so guys I definitely recommend you check out you know, Dr. Jones’s
Instagram, herr YouTube channel as well. So Danielle where – where can the viewers find you? So
I am MamaDoctorJones on Instagram and on Youtube. I’ve only had my Youtube for a few months,
but it’s been a lot of fun. So, be nice to me I’m doing my best, trying to learn the
process, enjoying the community and it’s been a blast but I’m still learning. And Instagram
is definitely where I’ve kind of started but I kind like Youtube more, don’t tell the Instagrams.
[laughs] Danielle, thanks so much for your time um, really appreciate it also meeting
you again in San Francisco and maybe we’ll do a day in the life, coming up guys. So stay
tuned and make sure you follow Dr. Jones on Instagram and Youtube, link in the description
below. Bye, thank you. Big shout out to Mama Dr. Jones, thank you so much for joining us
on the channel. What do you guys think of this format? If you want me to do it with
some other YouTubers, some other doctors, let me know in the comment down below. Thanks
for watching and I will see you guys in that next one.

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