Giuliani reacts to details emerging from Mueller report

Giuliani reacts to details emerging from Mueller report


THROUGH THIS REPORT. ANOTHER GUEST JOINING US.>>Bill: WITH THE NOW RUDY GIULIANI LIVE WITH US IN WASHED. — WASHINGTON, D.C. LET’S GET YOUR INITIAL REACTION TO WHAT WE LEARNED SO FAR.>>WE’RE VERY HAPPY. A CLEAR VICTORY. ANY LAWYER WOULD SAY WHEN YOU GET A DECLARATION YOU JUST WON. THIS IS A LITTLE STRANGE. SPECIAL COUNSEL USED A STANDARD OF PROOF THAT’S UNHEARD OF. HE SAYS HE CAN’T BE CONCLUSIVELY SURE THAT THE PRESIDENT DIDN’T COMMIT OBSTRUCTION. WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT MEANS THE PRESIDENT HAS TO PROVE HIS INNOCENCE WHICH KIND OF UP ENDS 2,000 YEARS OF JURISPRUDENCE. THAT’S THE REASON WHY HE WAS CONFUSED. LOOK AT PAGE 2 OF THE REPORT. HE SAID WE CAN’T CONCLUDE THE PRESIDENT COMMITTED A CRIME BUT WE CAN’T EXONERATE HIM. NOBODY IS ASKING HIM TO EXONERATE HIM. THE REALITY IS THAT THE OVERARCHING PRINCIPLE OF OBSTRUCTION LAW IS VERY, VERY, HARD TO MAKE AN OBSTRUCTION CASE WHEN THERE IS NO PROOF THERE IS AN UNDERLYING CRIME. YOU HAVE TO ASSUME THE PRESIDENT IS INNOCENT, WHICH HE IS.>>Bill: WHY DID BOB MUELLER PUNT ON THAT DECISION?>>BECAUSE I SUSPECT HE HAD A DISAGREEMENT IN HIS STAFF. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TODAY LAID OUT THE CLASSIC VIEW OF OBSTRUCTION. I HAD MANY DEBATES WITH HIM. WHAT THE SPECIAL COUNSEL’S OFFICE WAS TRYING TO EXTEND THE STATUTE BEYOND ITS REACH. THEY WERE STUCK WITH TWO THINGS. ONE, NO UNDERLYING CRIME. IT IS HARD TO FIND A CORRUPT INTENT. YOU CAN DO IT. THERE ARE CASES BUT IT IS HARD. BECOMES REALLY HARD WHEN THERE IS NO TANGIBLE OBSTRUCTION. SO YOU GO THROUGH 1.4 MILLION PAGES OF DOCUMENTS, YOU GO THROUGH ALL THE TESTIMONY. THEY GOT EVERYTHING THEY WANT. NOTHING WAS OBSTRUCTED. THEY CAN’T POINT TO A SINGLE THING THAT WAS OBSTRUCTED IN THE INVESTIGATION. SO NOW YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A PURELY THEORETICAL CRIME. AND I THINK AS A PRACTICAL MATTER IN MOST UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS OFFICE THEY WOULD LAUGH THIS KIND OF THING OUT OF COURT BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE HAD A BIAS, STRONG ONE, AND BECAUSE THEY USED THE STANDARD OF PROOF. AN AMAZING STANDARD OF PROOF. CAN’T CONCLUSIVELY DETERMINE HE DID NOT COMMIT OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. I DON’T KNOW — I DON’T KNOW HOW YOU PROVE A NEGATIVE.>>Bill: ISN’T THAT HIM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT INTENT IN THE MIND OF THE PRESIDENT? BILL BARR SAID THERE WAS NO INTENT AND MAYBE BOB MUELLER OR OTHERS ON HIS TEAM ARGUED OTHERWISE.>>I DON’T THINK BOB MUELLER DISAGREES WITH THIS DECISION. I THINK IT’S SOME OF THE MORE OUT OF CONTROL MEMBERS OF HIS STAFF WHO HAD THIS VERY EXTENDED DEFINITION OF OBSTRUCTION AND THEY HAVE A HISTORY OF THIS. TWO CASES IN THE SUPREME COURT THAT ONE OF HIS PRIME PROSECUTORS KIND OF ENGINEERED. BOTH OF THEM ENDED UP WITH UNANIMOUS DECISIONS THROWING THE CASE OUT FOR A TOTALLY BOGUS READING OF CONSPIRACY TO DEFRAUD. THEY WERE EXTENDING A CRIME THAT DOESN’T APPLY. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS A GOOD LAWYER AND APPLIED THE CLASSIC DEFINITION OF OBSTRUCTION AND YOU CAN TORTURE IT ALL YOU WANT BUT IT’S NOT THERE. AND FROM NOW ON I THINK PROSECUTORS SHOULD RETURN TO YOU HAVE TO DETERMINE WHETHER THERE IS A CASE TO BE BROUGHT AGAINST A PERSON. YOU DON’T LOOK FOR CAN I EXONERATE HIM. THE MINUTE YOU START TRYING TO EXONERATE SOMEBODY YOU CAN INVESTIGATE FOREVER AND TOTALLY UNFAIR. THIS PRESIDENT HAS BEEN TREATED TOTALLY UNFAIRLY.>>Sandra: WE HEARD HIM SAY THAT SPEAKING AT THE WHITE HOUSE. DO YOU EXPECT ROBERT MUELLER TO TESTIFY?>>I DON’T KNOW. IT WOULD BE GOOD IF HE DID. LOOK, THIS ALL BEGAN AS WAS THERE COLLUSION WITH THE RUSSIANS? NOW WE’RE HAVING AN ACADEMIC DEBATE OVER OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. THE BIG VICTORY IS NO COLLUSION WITH THE RUSSIANS. I DON’T THINK YOU COULD BE ANY CLEARER. YOU CAN READ THAT COLLUSION 200 PAGES AS MUCH AS YOU WANT. BELIEVE ME, I WAS UP TWO NIGHTS GOING THROUGH IT. YOU WON’T FIND A DARN THING THAT SHOWS THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP OR ANYBODY ON HIS CAMPAIGN HAD ANY KIND OF CONNECTION WITH WHATEVER THE RUSSIANS WERE DOING.>>Bill: ANSWER THIS QUESTION, TOO, ABOUT THIS ONGOING FIGHT THAT YOU HAD WITH THE SPECIAL COUNSEL WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD SUBMIT TO AN INTERVIEW.>>WHY WOULD I DO THAT?>>Bill: I’LL GET THE QUESTION OUT AND LET YOU ANSWER. ACCORDING TO WHAT WE’RE LEARNING HERE THE TEAM THOUGHT TRUMP’S ANSWERS WEREN’T ADEQUATE BUT DIDN’T PURSUE — THE PRESIDENT DID NOT HAVE TO SUBMIT TO AN INTERVIEW. I KNOW YOU’RE DECLARING VICTORY ON THAT. DO YOU THINK ULTIMATELY THAT DECISION TO FIGHT HIM ON THAT LEGAL — ON THAT LEGAL FRONT PERHAPS LED TO TODAY’S CONCLUSION?>>NO, SOL’S VIEW ON THIS, ANYBODY WHO PRACTICES LAW FOR TWO WEEKS IS NOT GOING THE WANT THEIR CLIENT TO TESTIFY. WHEN YOU REPRESENT A PRESIDENT IT IS A DIFFERENT KIND OF CLIENT AND DIFFERENT NEEDS AND CIRCUMSTANCES. I THINK BY THE TIME WE DECIDED WE WOULD ONLY ANSWER THOSE LIMITED INTERROGATORIES, WE HAD PRETTY MUCH GOTTEN PUBLIC APPROVAL FOR THE FACT THAT THE INDEPENDENT COUNSEL — SPECIAL COUNSEL WAS REALLY TRYING TO TRAP HIM INTO PERJURY. BY THAT TIME THE FLYNN EXAMPLE HAD COME OUT WHERE THEY CALLED FLYNN, THEY ALERTED HIM INTO THINKING IT WOULD BE A BIG DEAL. WENT INTO HIS OFFICE AND ASKED HIM A QUESTION ABOUT THE MEETING AND IN THEIR BRIEFCASE WAS A TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING. WHEN HE SAID HE COULDN’T REMEMBER THEY NEVER SHOWED HIM THE TRANSCRIPT TO SAY REFRESH YOUR RECOLLECTION. THAT’S A PERJURY TRAP. YOU CAN DO IT BUT WHEN YOU KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE INVESTIGATING YOU ARE USING THOSE TACTICS, YOU WOULD LOSE THAT YOUR LAW LICENSE IF YOU WALKED SOMEBODY IN WITHOUT A LOT OF WORK FOR SOME KIND OF QUESTIONING. THESE PEOPLE BELIEVE ME, BILL, THESE PEOPLE ACTED IN BAD FAITH NUMEROUS TIMES. THEY TREATED PEOPLE HORRIBLY. WHAT THEY DID TO MANAFORT SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED AND THEN SOMEBODY HAS TO ASK THE QUESTION NOW, THIS HAS BEEN THE THIRD INVESTIGATION OF COLLUSION, TWO BY THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT. BOTH CONCLUDE NOTHING, NO EVIDENCE. WHY DID THIS START? WHO DID IT? YOU’LL FIND THE CRIMES THERE. YOU WANT RUSSIAN COLLUSION, GO LOOK AT THE ARTICLE IN THE UKRAINIAN PAPERS A WEEK AND A HALF AGO ABOUT HOW THEY OPENED AN INVESTIGATION OF THEIR OWN OFFICIALS FOR COLLUDING WITH HILLARY CLINTON.>>Bill: UP UNTIL 60 MINUTES AGO HOW MUCH OF THIS REPORT HAD YOU READ.>>EVERY PAGE. WE STARTED TUESDAY NIGHT.>>Bill: BILL BARR’S TEAM –>>WE WENT TO THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT, A SECURE ROOM. WE COULDN’T TAKE IT OUT OR PHOTOGRAPH IT. WENT INTO A SCIF AND THE FOUR OF US, MYSELF, JAY AND MARTI, WE READ IT AND WE WERE GOING TO ORIGINALLY DIVIDE IT UP BUT DECIDED WE HAD TO ALL READ IT AND SHARE OUR THOUGHTS ABOUT IT.>>Bill: WERE YOU ALLOWED TO TAKE NOTES?>>YES, NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE IT AWAY.>>Sandra: HOUSE JUDICIARY HAS APPROVED A SUBPOENA TO SEE THE FULL UNREDACTED REPORT. MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WANT TO SEE THE EVIDENCE, THE UNDERLYING EVIDENCE AS WELL. IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN, HOW WOULD THAT CHANGE THE PERCEPTION OF THIS REPORT?>>I CAN’T TELL YOU ABOUT THE REDACTED PART. VERY LITTLE IS REDACTED IN VOLUME TWO, THE OB STRUCTION SENTENCE. MORE IN THE COLLUSION ONE BECAUSE IT INVOLVES NATIONAL SECURITY. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL PLAYED IT REALLY STRAIGHT. NOTHING IN THE OBSTRUCTION REPORT THAT WILL SURPRISE YOU. ALL OF IT HAS BEEN LITIGATED THROUGH THE PAPERS, THROUGH THE “WASHINGTON POST”, “NEW YORK TIMES,” FOX, CNN. WE’VE DISCUSSED IT ALL. YOU WERE DISCUSSING THE DONALD JUNIOR MEETING, ALL OF THESE THINGS. THE FLYNN CONVERSATION, THE FIRING OF COMEY. THERE IS NOT A SINGLE SURPRISE. SOME THINGS PROBABLY DIDN’T GET AS MUCH EMPHASIS PEOPLE MIGHT BE SURPRISED. IF YOU COVERED IT CAREFULLY, IT IS ALL THERE AND THEY JUST DON’T HAVE A CASE OF OBSTRUCTION. AND BELIEVE ME, THESE PEOPLE TRIED REALLY HARD TO STRETCH OBSTRUCTION BEYOND ANY FAIR MEANING OF IT AND THEY USED A STANDARD THAT’S ABSURD. THE PRESIDENT HAD TO PROVE HIS INNOCENCE.>>Bill: RUDY, JUST READING ABOUT THE WRITTEN ANSWERS TO BE INADEQUATE IS THE WORDS OF THE SPECIAL COUNSEL. WE INFORMED COUNSEL OF THE INSUFFICIENCY OF THOSE RESPONSES OF MORE THAN 30 OCCASIONS HE DOESN’T RECALL, REMEMBER OR HAVE AN INDEPENDENT RECOLLECT OF INFORMATION CALLED FOR BY THE QUESTIONS.>>HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE QUESTIONS? ONE OF THEM IS AN ENTIRE PAGE. THEY DIDN’T ASK QUESTIONS. THEY ASKED QUESTIONS WITH SUBPARTS AND SUBPARTS OF SUBPARTS. I WAS ON THAT CAMPAIGN WITH HIM AND NORMAL PERSON IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO REMEMBER SOME OF THE DETAILS THEY WANTED. THEY’RE ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT 2016. AND IN 2016 HE WAS WORKING 12 TO 16 HOURS A DAY AND HIS MIND WASN’T ON THESE SUBJECTS. IN PART BECAUSE WHAT THEY WERE ASKING ABOUT DIDN’T HAPPEN. AND I TOLD YOU, THEY PUT A BURDEN ON HIM OF PROVING HIS INNOCENCE AND HE DARN WELL DID IT FOR COLLUSION. I THINK HE DID IT FOR OBSTRUCTION. BUT THEY APPLIED A THEORY, THEN, THAT IS UNKNOWN TO ME AS AN ESTABLISHED THEORY OF OBSTRUCTION. WHICH IS BASICALLY IF SOMEBODY IS THINKING SOMETHING, EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN’T RESULT IN — EVEN THOUGH THERE IS AN OVERRIDING INNOCENT INTENT TO CLEAR YOURSELF AS AN INNOCENT PERSON THEY’LL SELECT THEIR INFERENCE.>>Bill: HERE IS ONE OF THE ANSWERS RESPONSE TO QUESTION 1 PARTS A-C. NOR DO I RECALL LEARNING DURING THE CAMPAIGN THAT THE JUNE 9, 2000 MEETING HAD TAKEN PLACE IN REFERENCE TO THE TRUMP TOWER MEETING.>>WHAT’S WRONG WITH THAT ANSWER? HE HAS NO RECOLLECTION OF IT. THAT’S THE WAY MOST OF OUR MIND WORKS. EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE WE HAVE SOMETHING WE CLEARLY KNOW AND REMEMBER. YOU KNOW, PROBABLY IF HE GAVE THAT ANSWER HE WOULD SAY IT DIDN’T HAPPEN PROBABLY LAWYERS TEND TO WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HEDGE OF NO RECOLLECTION. THE REALITY IS WE’RE TALKING ABOUT A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE THESE THINGS WERE NOT PARAMOUNT ON HIS MIND. LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THAT WHY IF YOU GO INTO A PERJURY TRAPS PROSECUTORS IN BAD FAITH. SOMEBODY MIGHT HAVE MENTIONED IT SOMEWHERE SOME PLACE AND YOU SAID NO AND THESE GUYS WOULD NAIL YOU FOR PERJURY. THAT’S WHAT THEY DID TO FLYNN. THE F.B.I. AGENTS WALKED OUT OF THAT INTERVIEW AND IT IS RECORDED AND IT’S BEEN PUBLISHED IN THE NEWSPAPERS AND THEY WERE CONVINCED THAT HE WAS TELLING THE TRUTH AND IT WAS A FAILURE OF RECOLLECTION. BUT THE SNEAKY PEOPLE RUNNING IT HAD THE EVIDENCE HIDDEN, NEVER SHOWED IT TO THE GENERAL. I DON’T KNOW IF THEY’RE PROUD OF THEMSELVES TRAPPING A GENERAL WHO SERVED OUR COUNTRY FOR OVER 30 YEARS BANKRUPTING HIM, PUTTING TREMENDOUS PRESSURE ON HIS FAMILY, ARE THEY PROUD OF THEMSELVES THEY TRAPPED HIM? THEY NEVER WOULD HAVE PROSECUTED THIS GUY. THEY CREATED THE CRIME. SOMEBODY HAS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT AND REIN THEM IN. ONE OF THESE GUYS IS A TERROR. NEVER MIND. ONE OF THESE GUYS IS A TERROR AND SHOULDN’T BE ALLOWED TO PROSECUTE. HE HAS BEEN CITED BY THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT TWICE AND HE TREATED THE WITNESSES HORRIBLY. HORRIBLY. LIKE THIS WAS THE GRAND INQUISITION. BUT THEY STILL COULDN’T MAKE A CASE. SO THAT TELLS ME THERE IS NOTHING THERE. THESE PEOPLE USED A STANDARD OF PROOF THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE AND THEY ACTED LIKE THIS WAS THE BIGGEST TERRORISM CASE OF THE CENTURY. AND THEY COULDN’T MAKE IT.>>Sandra: I WANT TO BRING BRET BAIER IN HERE. BASED ON EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE THEN ALLOWING AT THE VERY LEAST SOME MEMBERS OF CONGRESS TO VIEW THE REPORT WITHOUT REDACTIONS OR AT LEAST MAINTAIN THE GRAND JURY REDACTIONS?>>I JUST DON’T KNOW WHAT’S IN THOSE REDACTIONS. I HAVE NO IDEA. AS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SAID, WE DIDN’T ASK FOR REDACTIONS. IF THEY DID THEY WOULDN’T GIVE THEM TO US. WE DIDN’T SEE ANYTHING WE HAD TO REDACT. I’M COMFORTABLE IN HAVING EVERYTHING OUT. ON THE OTHER HAND, I CAN’T OPINE ABOUT INVESTIGATIONS THAT ARE GOING ON OR CLASSIFIED MATERIAL. I WOULD IMAGINE THE PROBLEMS ABOUT PUTTING OUT REDACTED MATERIAL ARE GOING TO BE MORE IN VOLUME ONE MEANING THE COLLUSION THAN IN VOLUME TWO, I THINK.>>Sandra: GOT IT. BRET.>>THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I WANT TO GO THROUGH A COUPLE THINGS WITH YOU, YOU ARE RIGHT. WHAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SAID AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE ON THE COLLUSION AND CONSPIRACY IS IN THE REPORT ALMOST WORD FOR WORD THAT THERE WERE NO AMERICANS FOUND TO WORK WITH THE RUSSIANS TO INTERFERE WITH THE ELECTION. ON THE OBSTRUCTION ISSUE THERE ARE 10 INCIDENTS, THESE 10 DIFFERENT THINGS LISTED. ONE OF THEM IS CALLED THE APPOINTMENT OF A SPECIAL COUNSEL AND EFFORTS TO REMOVE HIM. IT SAYS JUNE 17th THE PRESIDENT CALLED DON MCGAHN AT HOME AND DIRECTED HIM TO CALL THE ACTING ATTORNEY GENERAL AND SAY THE SPECIAL COUNSEL HAD CONFLICTS OF INTEREST AND MUST BE REMOVED. MCGAHN DID NOT CARRY OUT THAT DIRECTION AND DECIDED HE WOULD RESIGN RATHER THAN TRIGGER WHAT HE CALLED A POTENTIAL SATURDAY NIGHT MASSACRE. IT GOES ON IN THE OTHER PLACE TO SAY THAT THE PRESIDENT TRIED TO COVER UP AND DENY EVIDENCE BY THEN SAYING MCGAHN SHOULD NOT SAY THAT HE, THE PRESIDENT, TOLD HIM TO GET RID OF THE SPECIAL COUNSEL AND IN FACT DENY THAT HE DID THAT. MCGAHN TOLD THOSE OFFICIALS THE MEDIA REPORTS WERE ACCURATE AND THAT THE PRESIDENT HAD DIRECTED MCGAHN TO HAVE THE SPECIAL COUNSEL REMOVED. SO UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY AREN’T FINDING THE LEGAL BAR FOR OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, DOES THIS AND THESE 10 THINGS OPEN THE DOOR FOR THE HOUSE TO LOOK AT THE POLITICAL BAR OF IMPEACHMENT BASED ON THIS?>>LET ME GO BACK AND ADDRESS MYSELF. I KNOW BOTH THOSE SITUATIONS PRETTY WELL. IN THE FIRST ONE, FIRST OF ALL, THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN RECOLLECTION ABOUT THESE THINGS. THE PRESIDENT DIDN’T TESTIFY ABOUT THIS SO I CAN’T GIVE YOU HIS VERSION. LET’S ASSUME THESE ARE TRUE. IN BOTH CASES HERE IS WHAT YOU ARE FACED WITH. THE PRESIDENT DID NOT HAVE A GUILTY MOTIVE. THE PRESIDENT WAS AND IS CONSIDERED UNDER THE LAW NOW BECAUSE THERE IS NO FINDING OF AN UNDERLYING CRIME. HE WAS AN INNOCENT MAN BEING ACCUSED OF SOMETHING HE DIDN’T DO. AND HE FOUND A LOT OF IRREGULARITIES IN THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION. NOT JUST THE CONFLICTS, MUELLER HIRED — MUELLER HIRED THE CHIEF COUNSEL FOR THE CLINTON FOUNDATION. I DON’T KNOW IF HILLARY CLINTON WAS UNDER INVESTIGATION AND SOMEBODY HIRED ME TO INVESTIGATE HER, I THINK SHE WOULD BE PRETTY DARN ANGRY. THAT WAS A RIDICULOUS DECISION MUELLER MADE. THEN HE HIRED PEOPLE THAT WERE HIGHLY PARTISAN DEMOCRATS. NOT JUST PROSECUTORS BUT PEOPLE WHO PARTICIPATED IN CAMPAIGNS AND PEOPLE WHO WERE STRONGLY SUPPORTIVE OF HER. PEOPLE THAT WERE AT HER PARTY AND SEEN CRYING. THESE THINGS WILL AFFECT A PERSON, PARTICULARLY A PERSON WHO IS AN INNOCENT PERSON WHO BELIEVES HE IS BEING FRAMED. HE WAS RIGHT. YOU ARE GOING TO FIND OUT OVER THE ENSUING FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS THEY WERE FRAMING HIM. THIS IS A DELIBERATE PLAN TO PLANT THIS IDEA. DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THIS ALL STARTED WITH THAT STUPID LITTLE STATEMENT THAT PAPADOPOULOS WHO I DON’T EVEN KNOW WHO HE WAS? HE WAS DOWN HERE ON THE CAMPAIGN, GREAT GUY, I’M NOT TRYING TO DEMEAN HIM. IT WASN’T BANNON. ONE LITTLE STATEMENT.>>THERE IS A LOT WE DON’T KNOW ABOUT THE EARLY INVESTIGATION.>>IF THAT IS NOT A COUNT IRRELEVANT INTELLIGENCE FRAME-UP I’LL EAT MY HAT.>>ATTORNEY GENERAL’S GROUP WILL LOOK INTO ALL THAT. I’M ASKING A SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT THESE 10 DIFFERENT TIMES. HOW DO YOU THINK, IS THERE AN OPEN THREAT TO THE PRESIDENT, TO THE ADMINISTRATION FROM THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES ON THIS ISSUE? YOU’VE READ IT AND YOU KNOW WHAT’S IN THERE.>>ABSOLUTELY NOT. IF ANYBODY FAIRLY LOOKS AT IT WHO IS A GOOD LAWYER AND APPLIES THE PRINCIPLES OF OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, DOESN’T MAKE IT UP, THEN THERE IS NOTHING THE PRESIDENT HAS TO WORRY ABOUT. NOW THERE COULD BE IN THAT REPORT — THE REPORT COULD HAVE BEEN PERFECT AND SAID THE PRESIDENT FAILED TO PAY FOUR PARKING TICKETS AND NADLER WOULD GO AFTER HIM. THEY PRE-JUDGED THE CASE AND THEY WERE WRONG AND NOW THEY TRY TO RESURRECT SOMETHING OVER OBSTRUCTION. IT IS KIND OF RIDICULOUS TO GO AFTER A MAN FOR OBSTRUCTION WHEN HE WAS FALSELY ACCUSED, HE WAS DEFENDING HIMSELF, HIS INTENT IN EACH ONE OF THESE SITUATIONS, ALL TEN OF THEM, IS EASILY EXPLAINED AS AN INTENT TO NOT GET FRAMED. SO INSTANCES IN WHICH HE SAYS ABOUT MANAFORT AND COHEN BASICALLY SAYS SUPPORTIVE OF HIM BECAUSE THEY’RE TELLING THE TRUTH. IF I WAS ACCUSED OF ROBBING A BANK AND I WAS WITH MY FRIEND THAT NIGHT I WOULD BE REALLY SUPPORTIVE THAT MY FRIEND BACK UP MY STORY BECAUSE IT’S TRUE. HE DOESN’T GET INTIMIDATED BY MUELLER’S OUT OF CONTROL PROSECUTORS AND THEY DON’T PUT HIM IN SOLITARY CONFINEMENT THE WAY THEY PUT MANAFORT AND QUESTION HIM 11 TIMES AND TRY TO GET HIM TO SAY. THEY TRIED SO HARD TO GET MANAFORT TO SAY THE PRESIDENT KNEW ABOUT THAT MEETING ON JUNE 9. THEY LITERALLY CONDUCTED THE KIND OF QUESTIONING THAT YOU CONDUCT FOR A TERRORISM SUSPECT ON HIM.>>IN THIS REPORT IT SAYS THE PRESIDENT BECAME AWARE OF EMAILS SETTING UP THE JUNE 9th MEETING BETWEEN JUNIOR CAMPAIGN OFFICIALS AND RUSSIANS WHO OFFERED DEROGATORY INFORMATION ON HILLARY CLINTON AND PART OF THE SUPPORT FOR MR. TRUMP. ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS QUOTING FROM THE REPORT IN LATE JUNE AND EARLY JULY 2017 PRESIDENT DIRECTED AIDES NOT TO DISCLOSE THE EMAILS AND DICTATED ABOUT A STATEMENT ABOUT THE MEETING TO BE ISSUED DESCRIBING THE MEETING AS ABOUT ADOPTION IS WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THE REPORT.>>THE REALITY IS IT WAS ABOUT ADOPTION. EVERYONE CONCEDES THAT. THAT MEETING WAS A SETUP. THE DAY BEFORE THE MEETING THE RUSSIAN WOMAN MET WITH THE PERSON WHO RAN FUSION GPS. THAT’S A COINCIDENCE, RIGHT? THIS GUY TESTIFIED UNDER OATH THEY NEVER TALKED ABOUT THE MEETING THEY WOULD HAVE THE NEXT DAY. SHE MET WITH HIM THE DAY OF THE MEETING AND THE DAY AFTER THE MEETING. THEY SET UP THE MEETING ON THE PRETEXT IT IS GOING TO BE ABOUT DIRT ON HILLARY. NOBODY HAS ANY DIRT ON HILLARY. THEY DON’T TALK ABOUT DIRT ON HILLARY. THEY TALK ABOUT THE MAGNITSKY ACT AND RUSSIAN ADOPTIONS. THEN THEY WALK OUT AND THEY NEVER REALLY SERIOUSLY CALL BACK AND FOLLOW UP ON IT. SEVERAL OF THEM ARE COUNTER INTELLIGENCE OPERATIVES. THAT WAS A PURE SETUP THAT MEETING. THE CRIMINALITY IN THAT MEETING IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE THE PEOPLE WHO SET IT UP TO TRY TO FRAME THE PRESIDENT AND PUT –>>WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE PRESIDENT AT THE TIME HE DIDN’T PUT OUT THE PRESS RELEASE AND HE WASN’T BEHIND SAYING.>>NO, NO, NO. THAT WAS A MISTAKE OF COMMUNICATION WITH ONE OF HIS LAWYERS. THE PRESIDENT CORRECTED THAT WITHIN A WEEK. THE REALITY IS THE SPECIAL COUNSEL DID OPINE ON THAT AND CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THERE WAS NO CRIMINAL INTENT TO COMMIT OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. BASICALLY THEY SAID BECAUSE — THIS WAS A PRESS STATEMENT. WHAT THEY’RE REALLY SAYING IS IF YOU START APPLYING OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE TO PRESS STATEMENTS THAT ARE TECHNICALLY WRONG WITH NO REAL INTENT TO ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING, WE’RE GOING TO HAVE A REAL PROBLEM. HALF OF WASHINGTON WILL BE IN JAIL.>>CHRIS WALLACE.>>I GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR THAT ALTHOUGH THEY JUST MENTION — TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THE CONCLUSION ON THAT. THE CONCLUSION SAYS YOU CAN’T CHARGE ANYONE WITH A CRIME HERE BECAUSE IT WAS A PRESS STATEMENT AND THERE WAS LEGITIMATE CONFUSION. SPECIAL COUNSEL DOES GRANT THAT.>>CHRIS WALLACE HERE. YOU HAVE SUGGESTED THAT THIS COUNTER INTELLIGENCE INVESTIGATION DID NOT BEGIN BECAUSE OF THIS COMMENT FROM GEORGE PAPADOPOULOS, A FOREIGN POLICY ADVISOR, THAT MAY BE OVERSTATING HIS ROLE. THAT WAS BACK IN JUNE OR JULY OF 2016. WHAT DO YOU THINK WAS THE START OF THE INVESTIGATION AND WHAT DO YOU THINK WAS THE GENESIS FOR THE START OF THE INVESTIGATION?>>I BEGIN — I HAVE FOR SIX MONTHS QUESTIONED WHETHER THAT FLIMSY LITTLE ALLEGATION THAT THE RUSSIANS HAD DIRT ON HILLARY COULD START THIS GIGANTIC INVESTIGATION, COULD ALLOW THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT TO PUT UNDER INVESTIGATION A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE OF A MAJOR PARTY. NOT WARN HIM ABOUT IT OR TELL HIM THAT MAYBE HE IS BEING INVADED OR INTRUDED. SINCE THE ELECTRONIC SURVEILLANCE WAS OBTAINED WITH AN AFFIDAVIT THAT HAS SEVERAL SERIOUS WRONG STATEMENTS NOT DESCRIBING THE STEELE DOSSIER DIRECTLY, THOSE WARRANTS ARE ILLEGAL. THEY WERE OBTAINED UNDER FALSE PRETENSES WITH FALSE STATEMENTS. TO SAY THAT THEY WERE SPYING ON HIM, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SAY IT A COUPLE OF WAYS. UNAUTHORIZED OR ILLEGAL ELECTRONIC SURVEILLANCE OR SURVEILLANCE THAT COULD BE DECLARED TO BE ILLEGAL BECAUSE THERE WERE FOUR OR FIVE FALSE STATEMENTS IN THE AFFIDAVIT. I DON’T KNOW WHERE IT STARTED.>>TO GO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION, WHAT DO YOU THINK WAS THE GENESIS AND WHEN DO YOU THINK THE INVESTIGATION OF DONALD TRUMP STARTED?>>I THINK IT STARTED BEFORE THE FIRST MEETING WITH PAPADOPOULOS. I THINK THE DIPLOMAT FROM MALTA WHO HAS A COUNTER INTELLIGENCE BACKGROUND. THIS DIDN’T COME FROM PAPADOPOULOS. HE MET WITH A GUY IN ITALY WHO WAS A COUNTER INTELLIGENCE OPERATIVE. THIS GUY TELLS HIM OH, THE RUSSIANS HAVE DIRT ON HILLARY. A MONTH LATER ANOTHER GUY, AUSTRALIAN OPERATIVE WALKS UP TO HIM IN LONDON AND GIVES THE INFORMATION TO HIM AND THEN THEY RECORD IT AS IF IT COMES FROM PAPADOPOULOS. BUT IT WAS FED TO PAPADOPOULOS. I DON’T KNOW, CHRIS. SOUNDS LIKE A COUNTER INTELLIGENCE TRAP TO ME. WHERE DOES IT GO BACK BEFORE THAT? I HAVE MY SUSPICIONS.>>ARE YOU SUGGESTING THE WHOLE THING WAS A SETUP FROM THE START BY INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS TO FRAME DONALD TRUMP?>>I DON’T KNOW WHO. IT WASN’T AN ACCIDENT THAT THIS MAN FED HIM THE INFORMATION AND RAN SOMEBODY INTO HIM TO PICK IT UP. I DON’T HAVE SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE TELLING YOU ANYTHING BEYOND THAT EXCEPT — ALL I HAVE BEYOND THAT ARE A COUPLE

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  • Sandra Claxton says:

    I found it odd from the start .Why a former Director of the FB Was chose to lead the investigation. We now know the FBI is NOT trustworthy. He didn't have the (nuts)  to say yes or no that Trump did or didn't do anything wrong. He left it up to the Demonrat Congress to keep investigating until 2020. We are NOT fools. Mueller is part of the DS.

  • Chris Matthews is a trouble maker. He takes legitimate items and twist and turns and contorts them. You sir are and instigator in the control of the father of lies. Hysterical propaganda. Shepard Smith is your Kin.

  • Mueller has been painted as integrity and good man and he pretended to be just that, but at this stage and age, intelligent people can spot him as a crooked and/or incompetent lawyer. Why took over 600 days to conclude there was no collusion? And why did he take the exoneration role?

  • I am sick and tired of Fox News. Sticking with Tucker Carlson, Hannity, Laura Ingraham, and Lou Dobbs. The rest are crap!

  • AG Barr is disgraceful. He should be non-biased, but he is all but.
    Obstruction of justice includes "attempt to." Even though his staff did not carry out Trump's orders, doesn't mean there's no obstruction.
    Get these clowns out of here, including Senator McConnell, Hatch and other senior republican Senators. I am NOT a Dem or Rep, but these Senators are really doing a harm than benefit to the system. In the long term, there's going to be consequences.

  • Wow just wow, all the Leftys at Fox pouncing on Rudy in one segment …..this just reveals how wrong and desperate the FAR LEFT is about EVERYTHING

  • SO RUDY WHAT YOUR SAYING IS DONALD J TRUMP COULD BE A RUSSIAN AGENT AND IF HE ANSWERED ALL THE QUESTIONS MULLER WOULD FIND HE IS A TRAITOR.

  • Muller is a scam artists and he needs to go to jail . He knew from the beginnings that there’s NO Collodions and if No collisions there could not be any obstructions to cover up the collisions but he dragged his dirty deeds for over two years . This dirty cop needs to go to jail along with his dirty bulldog dirty cop 👮‍♀️ Weismann.

  • These reporters are so robotic to realize the nonsense they spew onto the news. Trump was right about the witch hunt and ordered his people to shut down the wrongly accusation. He is the President of the US, and if he is right, put those treasonous actors in jail! Anybody pursues this witch hunt will bear the same consequence, starting with pencil neck Schillff and Jabba the Nadler.

  • Prosecutors are allowed to lie by law.This needs to be changed and they need to held accountable for conning the citizens of this country.

  • How can you have obstruction when the whole investigation was part of an attempt to frame Trump with a bought by the opposition that made up of lies what about obstructing the POTUS FROM DOING WHAT WE ELECTED HIM TO DO THAT'S THE CRIME so f–k all you haters of America

  • Durka Durka Durka says:

    Nope, the report is devastating.

    Definition of collusion: Co-operation for an illegal or deceitful purpose.

    Paul Manafort provided Trump polling data during the 2016 campaign to Russian spy Konstantin Kilimnik.

    Collusion slam-dunk.

  • Giuliani is Trump's attorney, what do u expect from him , only one he is forgetting that he is American citizen also.

  • Tammy 2trueblue says:

    He said that the President has to prove he's innocent? I always though you were considered innocent until proven guilty? These people flip everything upside down and backwards.

  • USA has become a police/ surveillance state with a free press that ranks a crappy #48 in the world. More crooked than the mafia and a major cause of suffering in the world. No wonder a right wing loony with mob and russian ties was handed the white house by the 1% who have only ever cared about money.

  • Bluewren Reilly says:

    What the heck is the matter with your media have they not got anything else to talk about it is all getting infuriating boring. Move on will you? Oh and please investigate the Democrats and start with that rat Schiff and all the proof he was supposed to have is there no prosecution for Democrats who tell downright lies in order to take down a legitimately elected President/What sort of a country are you?

  • If tlhump was not the president, he would be in Jail, for treason, and
    obstruction. But you can't charge a sitting President of a crime. He's
    guilty!

  • Congress should submit a bill that states no sitting president can use tax payer funds before one year of an election.

  • Frederick Hotchkiss says:

    What if president Trump did the same thing H.R.Clinton did ?!?!?!??? The Democrats would be demanding his resignation and jail time for him and his staff and family members!!! I guarantee it !!!

  • An innocent man, demanding himself.
    Now the bout is on the other foot.
    DROWN THE VILE, CORRUPT SWAMP RATS NOW!.
    Wallace is an idiot, gromit is smarter.

  • Amazing that this is the state of the free world. You actually think what has happened is ok. If this was a Democrat you would be losing your mind . No prosecuting collusion based on limited information is not a free pass to say he’s totally free of ethical responsibility . Obstruction is actually a partial smoking gun due to very questionable behaviour to begin with.

  • Hey Rudy, if you were any kind of lawyer (you USED TO BE) you would advise your client to RESIGN, with Alzheimer's as the excuse, then hope his bu buddy Pence can get away with pardoning him (Ford/Nixon style). Otherwise, we will have HIM TO KICK AROUND FOR SOME TIME. Is that what you want as your legacy? (Not America's Mayor, but Spanky's stooge).

  • If God is Truth….God is aware and will have the final say! I think the Truth is plain to see. People (humans) will lie! But one thing is for sure. No one will Trump the Truth! with Love …BEE

  • Rudy's right.

    The Media is even gaslighting EACH OTHER. It's amazing to watch.
    Democrats paid for Russian lies and the Deep State and Media used them
    and spread them to corrupt DOJ, the FBI, and the Constitution.

    "The media is the enemy of the American people". – Pat Caddell, Jimmy Carter pollster, Democrat.

  • I am honored to wish you and your family great health and victory . And am proud To be alive in this country during this time of great presidentsy with the Trumps in office. Alone we will fail, together we will succeed. Thank you for bringing justice back to our country. Have a blessed & happy birthday Melania Trump ! 🇱🇷 Trump 2020 🇱🇷

  • Oh Disney, Disney, Disney. You think we are not aware of you slowly turning the last conservative news outlet into another propaganda platform? Wallace was DOMINATED by Rudy. Now you are hiding the vidio. FOX NEWS IS DEAD. What will you do to Tucker?? Are you going to create a FAKE sexual harassment by some dumb broad? ? We OUTNUMBER you. The storm is here. RUN .

  • Once we get away from the Fox News Hosts that actually make Fox News money, the hosts and interviewers sound like they work for CNN or MSNBC. These 2 were horrible. Brett is also quite questionable!

  • Smoke and mirrors. Anything to divert attention away from the real crimes and true criminals. Can't wait till they hammer down and cancel out the Obama Hillary Show. Enough is enough!

  • These are men created for battle @RudyGiuliani @realDonaldTrump wouldn't have survived this corrupt Dems if not for men like him.

  • William Bret Baier a Demon Rat agent provocateur salivating and attempting to frame President Trump. Disgraceful and shameful display and that includes the walking dead Chris Wallace.

  • Curtis Pinson says:

    who needs to practice law to see this BS,,,dam shame our country has come to this ,, all involved in condemning our president should be locked up,,,easy to see their guilt ,,,a common citizen would not get by with this BS

  • Albert Vartanijn says:

    Unbelievable criminal walks away free and get protected by his college's and innocent person get accused insulated, Unbelievable what a democracy, World is up side down.

  • Albert Vartanijn says:

    Here is proof all this collusion delusion was set up by liberal demoRats and puppet jihadist unborn unauthorized unknown undocumented immigrant obomo hussain, liberal demoRats obomo hussain fake news network CNN MSNBC attack President Donald. J. Trump and his Entire Family including his Supporters and friends, so is this not enough proof. 👍Yes it is 100%

  • Albert Vartanijn says:

    This Case is Unique, you know Why, because big names are involved including obomo hussain jihadist.

  • He is a con man and surrounded by fools and cons , the truth will prevail , vote him out and put him on trial

  • Kelly Ostrander says:

    Wallace…are you stupid….we have all seen this ivestigation as a witch Hunt since it started…it's ridiculous for you to sit there and question why anyone would have a problem with this obviously bias constant interrogation. F*** you a****

  • Matthew Thomas says:

    Rudy Giuliani is wrong there was a crime conspiracy. But it could not be proved in open court. Collusion was established through contract with Russians over 250.contacts. obstructions) there was obstructions and abuse of power. We all know about trump refusing to sit down with Mueller and asking people not to tell the truth like don Macon. Trump is treasonous

  • JesusChild57 says:

    MUELLER AND ALL OF HIS CHOSEN ASSISTANCE WERE LOYAL TO CROOKED CLINTON & CROOKED DNC! THEY ALREADY KNEW THE INVESTIGATION WAS A LIE! HOW DO YOU INVESTIGATE EVIDENCE OF NOTHING? ALL CITIZENS THAT WERE FRIENDS OF PRESIDENT TRUMP LOCKED UP FOR PERSONAL OFFENSES BY MUELLER SHOULD BE FORGIVEN! MUELLER SHOULD GIVE ALL MONIES HE GAIN FROM A WITCH HUNT AND GIVE THEM ALL THEIR MONEY BACK. HE SHOULD BUY FLYNN A HOME! THE PRESIDENT TRUMP HAVE THE RIGHT TO FIRE MUELLER! WE PUBLIC USA CITIZENS WANTED THE PRESIDENT TRUMP TO GET RID OF THESE CONFLICT OF INTEREST MUELLER & HIS STAFF! THESE PEOPLE MUELLER & STAFF OUT OF CONTROLLED DOING ALL THEY COULD TO CRIMINALLY FALSELY ACCUSE OUR PRESIDENT TRUMP IN WHICH THEY ALREADY KNEW HE WAS INNOCENT! MUELLER & STAFF SHOULD BE LOCKED UP AND ALL FINANCES EARNED REFUNDED BACK TO PAY ALL VICTIMS LAWYER FEES AND THE REST OF IT TO REBUILD THE VICTIM'S LIVES! TREASON/COLLUSION WAS COMMITTED BY MUELLER AND MUELLER'S STAFF: TO BE DECIDED BY THE SUPREME COURT TRANFERRED TO QUATONOMA BAY COURT FOR TREASON! TRUECHRISTIANVOICEUSACOMMUNITY.05/20/2019.

  • Guilliani is being bullied by one Socialist narcissist . If he realized
    That his dentures make him sound
    Like Blumenthal! Mouth full of crap
    Like drunk Polosi* Rudy once help
    America. N.Y. loved him. Alcohol
    Is a problem

  • Amost identical consistent anwers Giuliani gave during his interviews on Fox News Sunday and Meet the Press on Easter Sunday. Game over. Priceless. LOL.

  • Trump right again? Trump innocent, falsely accused. More political drama and entertainment for the politicians, media and their pundits. Whoever wrote this script many years ago were brilliant. Hillary vs Trump and the rule of law? LOL.

  • Joyce Priest says:

    I like to it when Rudy Giuliani is being interviewed because somewhere along the line, as the interview goes on, before he knows it, and you pay clear attention to Rudy, he’s going to throw trump under the bus. Then you say: ah haaaaa. I say: I knew it was coming.

  • How Giuliani is allowed to lie to America without any shame clearly shows he should be stripped of his legal license. Read the Muellur Report for yourself. Read the facts not the spin from Trump and his spin doctors.

  • home emaile1945 says:

    Hey bret i think we should apoint juliani as special councle and he picks all anti clinton lawyers to investigate hillary and don't you or anyone else complain about it,

  • Harold Smith says:

    RUDY, START AT THE TOP AND THEN at the BOTTOM ,WORK FROM BOTH ENDS AT THE SAME TIME, THEN YOU ALL CAN MEET IN THE MIDDLE, ALL LIES EXPOSED, EVERYONE IS HAPPY.

  • The Mueller team didn’t get the critical data. They needed to interview Joseph Mifsud, and ask him if he is in fact a Russian agent. That is one of the most important interviews Mueller could have conducted. If Mifsud is a Russian agent, as he indicated he might be, that’s a whole ‘nother story.

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