Chicago Newsroom 04/04/19

Chicago Newsroom 04/04/19



from Chicago's can TV this is Chicago newsroom well either and welcome to Chicago newsroom here on can TV I'm Ken Davis you know the University of Illinois Chicago's Barbara rands be quoted the following in the nation a couple of days ago about Laurie Lightfoot's win it was from a slim pulley the lead organizer of black lives matter Chicago saying we should view this election cycle as the beginning of a seismic shift against the neoliberal project that has resulted in privatization militarized policing and destruction of many of our community institutions and resources is she on to something it's just possible that we've had it up to here with this idea that if the schools aren't being cleaned to your satisfaction the solution is to let a contract for hundreds of millions of dollars to a politically connected company that will hire minimum wage workers to replace the people earning a decent living and benefits what we so often see is that the job isn't done any more effectively a bunch of people got fired or got their pay cut by a third it doesn't cost the taxpayers any less but a few well-positioned companies make a bunch of money well that's just one of the things we're gonna be talking about on the show today as we try to figure out mayor lightfoot strategy for saving Chicago you know that's her that's her job she's gotta save us and I have the temerity to have some free advice to offer her to here on the program so here's our panel of advisers del Marika publicity works political adviser to the Great's and still working at that even in this election right now so we'll be talking about that don't worry welcome back dr. Bruce Dumont the Dean of Chicago political analysts in Chicago always a pleasure to have you here but that really entirely but not really a real doctor yeah beyond the beltway of course and just a great guy to have around at a time like this an ad quick I can't say enough great things about the daily line and what you guys have been doing lately you're just doing some really great work and I just hope at some point you get like eight hours off you can take a nap yeah it would be great been a lot of sleepless nights around here lately so let's begin with this this this is a there's a great photograph in the Chicago sun-times cover today of Lori Lightfoot walking into the office for the first time she's meeting mayor Emanuel and by the way mayor Emanuel was just standing right around the corner waiting for the camera to cue him to walk out but that's a different story what did they talk about go was a 50-minute meeting mm-hmm and they talked about all the reasons why they love the city of Chicago and Mayor Rahm Emanuel said I was going to prepare her about a 250 page transition report because he wants it to be a smooth it should be the four page summary we'll get to see the four page summary but she has you know now 46 days before she takes office and it's a full sprint she's a lawyer sure read all 300 yeah I I think as they've described it I think it probably was very very cordial I mean you know he's you know he's a politician but he's also going out he wants a good relationship with her even though they've had a couple of rough patches and I would say that between the two options to replace him Lori was probably the one he was cheering for do you think so oh absolutely I mean well it that's there's just this kind of fantasy that I have of the two of them sitting down because if I'm not mistaken the last time they met wasn't it that that really awful time when she wanted to be reappointed to the police board and they had this like very tense meeting yes that was the last time we know that we know of but yes she was seeking to be President the police board once again and she had come out very publicly against the way he had approached police reforms in that time saying he wasn't being aggressive enough of a consent decree it wasn't being aggressive enough on the FOP contract the city should be expressing its values on what it wants on reform so they went in tents and she came out with the appointment and I think it was ten months later she was running to marry Chicago let's let's not forget about Tony Brett Winkle let's talk about her for a few moments because we don't want history to just move on too quickly here don't worry you've known and worked with Tony Breck Winkle for years how she how's she handling this how's this gonna work for her is she gonna be okay with this first of all this is not her first lost you lost he lost the first two times she ran for office when she ran for alderman in the 4th Ward so this was a little different a little different but isn't I mean but you can only feel so badly when you're still the Cook County Board president and so it's not like she didn't secure that first and so I mean she missed her window of opportunity because her window of opportunity was in 2008 and 2012 probably so she missed her window of opportunity I mean over 2011 I should say in 2015 so she missed her opportunity but she still is has made history first of all she went from an alderman to another body of government altogether so not the one she served in but a completely different one she became the president of the Cook County Board and then she became the chair of the Democratic Party there's no other person who's done that there's no other woman our black person to do that so even though he has something new that's historic we cannot put her kick her to the curb and say well you're old history your history doesn't matter only the new history matters I mean she still is going to go down in history but the reality is her history and her profile were overwhelmingly rejected by the voters I think a lot of voters were resentful that someone that just got elected the County Board President you know three weeks later decides she's gonna run for mayor you know what was that all about she ran unopposed I mean Tony prick winkle has never really had a tough race other than when she was running against Tim Evans and Tim Evans beat her all the time so this was this was a real race she was on a platform with a lot of media spotlight and I think she I think she ran a horrible campaign and her inability to to denounce the rhetoric of Bobby Rush to me I think turned all it turned me off I turned a lot of voters off she showed a lack of courage and standing up to Bobby rush she showed a lack of courage of not running against Rahm Emanuel when she probably could have beat him four years ago so well that's my I mean this assessment I mean she did I mean the timing as I said was bad because of course it was Ed Burke I mean you cannot minimize that Burke and I don't think the Bobby Rush thing had that much to do with it because it was towards the end of the campaign it wasn't at the beginning of the campaign so it did not set the tone I mean Bobby Rush was for Bill Daley in the beginning so so the whole thing was it was about Ed Burke and she got caught up in that and anybody who knows her knows that when she was in city council there was no relationship with her and Ed Burke but it was the timing it was the sea change and it became the narrative and she didn't she didn't run a very good campaign she ran a horrible campaign and Lori Lightfoot ran a brilliant campaign so you cannot deny the the contrast between the two campaigns and she did not know how to pivot and that and that was where she failed because she didn't understand the message that she should have been talking about and given where she came from her message should have been that I was an alderman for 20 years when I took over the 4th Ward there were 2000 making lots when I left there were 200 I know how to rebuild a ward and I know how to rebuild a city that was the message she never said that message she did say it I just don't think anyone heard it well she didn't say it the right way yeah it wasn't evident in the end right it also wasn't relevant to to voters today you know what she did is Alderman no but it was relevant to black people rebuilding Ward and rebuilding a city was the most important issue black people wanted to hear and if she had come out with that message she would have had black people from the very beginning that's all we want to hear when you go through our communities and see that they're gutted and they're deep being depopulated while we're watching the north side being repopulated that is all we want to hear although you know we had Jones and Malone on show last week from cocoa and he wasn't that charitable about it he said yes she built you know 1500 units of affordable housing but she chased 20,000 people out of the ward when they tore all the public you know the high-rises well she didn't chase them out I mean that was the city I mean yes and she would also bring them back you know that what's happening is during that same period there was another player who I think was one of the big winners the other night and that's dr. Willie Wilson look what he did in the primary he endorsed Lori Lightfoot you know very rather quickly after that and again he's the one that has literally deep pockets and and and and and very positive reaction in the african-american community and he's been doing that not only in the last three years but the last seven or eight years where he's been you know providing money to people that are that are down and out bail money for people in county jail so he's he's sort of usurped the old alderman of the old committeeman in doing favors for people this time he knew he had to make a decision quickly because he didn't do it in 2015 and and that's when Chuy needed him to do it and he hemmed and hawed and he waited until the last minute and at that point it didn't make a difference he got the same 50,000 votes this time that he got the first year and but the difference was that when he came out for Lori and and gave his not that for people who because she came in third and most of those Wars yeah Tony came in second but once he said I'm with her then they turn they went with him I that was that is such an important point to make is that he didn't really do any better this time than he did last time but he used he learned how to use the power that he accumulated I was in regular spots absolutely I mean I was at that that event when he sort of handed over the baton to her down and I was really I was just amazed by it it was the electricity in that room and and the the power that you felt in the room was really much more than I had thought it would be and I think it had a real effect it's interesting how many coalition's she's managed to build through these endorsements as she's gone she got Willie Wilson but she also got Matt O'Shea she also got the firefighters on the northwest side yeah and we saw this in the results on Tuesday night ruin everything award almost every precinct except for a few in high part so why did the firefighters of the northwest side go with her what what what caused that I mean I've still scratching my head over that when it doesn't fit the pattern that we've that we've assumed I don't think they would have chosen her in the first round but in the second round they said and I've heard this from folks who have been an endorsement sessions with her in tons of different rooms but they love that she's a straight shooter she comes in understanding what they need and want yeah so firefighters are like we need new rigs she understood that we needed new rigs and she understands that we need a contract quickly and we like that she's a straight shooter and Anthony Napolitano described her as a firecracker and just said everyone in the room was was blown away just by how straightforward and to the point she was she she in addition to being a straight shooter she is very smart she may be the best combination of those two of any mayor we've had in recent decades well rich Daley actually put her into two of the biggest crucibles that he had because he put her into the but I was around for the the opening of the 9-1-1 center and it was I think it's fair to say that I I don't want to put this a part of the reason why that thing got built in the first place was because it was so impossible to settle the decades the hundred-year-old battle between the police and fire department right they had their own they each had their own dispatch they had their own helicopter their own boats theirs their own everything and I think Daley recognized that it was time for there to be a common dispatch and for there to be a sort of an emergency response that that covers all of the emergency responders and I my sense of it and I and this is not from anything that I I actually know it's just a sense it really wasn't working out all that well and I think that's part of what Lori Lightfoot was brought in to try to see if she could fix some of yes so it doesn't surprise me that firefighters say yeah you know you gave us a fair shake when you were at at OE MC I don't know just it's just it's just an impression that I have but and then of course that meant they knew her so right right she starts with it with a lot of people like you her right get 40 she's got 46 days and then on that 47th day a few people are gonna be spending off yeah well the tough decisions come immediately where usually they're coming right into office as the summer begins when we typically think of Chicago crime hiking she's got to come up with her first budget which generally gets introduced in September debated through October decided by November yeah they need to come up with the 270 million dollar pension payment like yeah tough decisions come quickly in the honeymoon I think will be brief yeah I was on the radio on election night with Justin Kaufman over on extension 720 and I was rocking to Bruce just before we went on that it's really weird we all of these political types all sitting there doing live radio and not really understanding until the next morning that she walked off with every practically every precinct of every Ward I mean something that you just it's just almost unimaginable in Chicago but turnout turnout yes the turnout was what was very depressed you have continues to be depressing so again she won this great victory but again there's a lot of people out there in the city of Chicago that didn't take the time to go and vote for her vote at all so weird elections will tell you that you know we're better than New York we're better than LA we're better than a lot of these smaller municipalities but you know back in The Herald Washington days we had 82% yeah but but but it was a completely different time yeah I I just totally reject any connection any comparisons between Harold Washington and what happened on Tuesday I just don't think there's any connection in that I mean first of all she's a different candidate completely and secondly when you look at are the communities the communities are gutted and so the the people aren't there there's not the synergy there's not the energy it's not the same excitement no matter what I mean I was in those communities I had aldermen automatic races in those communities there was no excitement like there was when Harold Washington ran but they're studying the excitement that there was in 50 when we had 41 percent turnout for the runoff between Julie and Ron I think the big issue here is to a lot of Chicagoans this was two black women running for an office so who says that really excite the white community there's a really exciting Hispanic community yes sir 47 and 41 and 19 I'll turn out those people vote but those were those were police and fire those were City people that were that had a vested interest in who won the rest of the community I don't think was necessarily it wouldn't have been that the turnout is based on black versus white well I would say the turnout is based on if there's a perception that that they're really that the two candidates are really different and you have to pick a side right I mean that's the Harold Washington thing well you know when you're up against something like that and also as you point out Julian and Rahm there was a choice there there was you could be on one side or the other it was hard to be on one side or the other with Lightfoot versus correct Michael it just didn't feel like there was the other battle and the other thing in the black community I mean the bottom line is it's a wait-and-see because many black residents don't believe that their lives are going to change no matter who's in arms and that's what they've seen repeatedly and so when they gave Rahm Emmanuel 55% of the vote the first time and then gave him 55% of both the second time after he clearly had abused you but it was well you know maybe he'll be different and especially when Barack Obama said oh no he was just hard-headed give him a second chance okay well let's give him a second chance after two chances and nothing changes it's like okay you know whoever wins wins will see it's a wait-and-see attitude it's also a lot of sort of a generational I don't mean Millennials because they didn't vote I'm just saying but I think there was a generational debate going on in the African American human even all the establishment african-american leaders whether it's congressman Rogers or Bobby Davis Danny Davis or Jesse white I mean they were all in in one direction and you know yeah Laurie was there with was some more of the activist community to some extent right although a lot of the activist community were Tony Cooper clinical I mean one of the big losers was chance the rapper yeah I mean he lost twice well the only good thing about that is that he was in it that and and given that Millennials weren't in it I had a millennial candidate in the 20th Ward who at the very beginning of the campaign when I told her I said Millennials don't vote I mean her eyes got big like oh no you're wrong and I'm like yeah right okay we'll see and and so the only thing I can say for chance is that at least he got in it and said I'm gonna get involved and and and tried to lead by example even if you didn't follow his example he was trying to lead by example to say you must come out to vote you were but it still didn't work not even with even with a celebrity personally and someone that's given a lot to the community it didn't you can't transfer those endorsements just like obviously the endorsement of Jesse White didn't help Tony Perry winkel very much he's an insulting ad to turn to you I mean any any coalition building it takes time it's not a switch that flips where you see chance the rapper on TV and safe I'm gonna go vote and we also saw a lot of Millennials organizing for these younger candidates that have swept in City Council's so I think there's a lot to be said for that I know a lot of DSA aligned Millennials who are so excited about these five new City Council members that they helped elect so they didn't turn out at least they were organizing mm-hmm yeah and that really that's the first stage right the organizing is more important than the turnout if you're if you're trying to build for something yeah especially if you're building for 2020 yeah yeah there's that too yeah so did did Lori Lightfoot get a mandate she seems to be thinking that she has a mandate because she got because she won every precinct is it a mandate yes well the mandate is that people want change I mean that's the real mandate that was the message that was sent I mean that was the message sent in February when they rejected Bill Daley so it was it was saying you know your time has passed and it's time for a new day and so then we saw that for Toni she represented the old and and Laurie represented the new yeah yeah I suppose that really is true and and people who who like the old way they they had more than enough opportunities to vote for the old way and they didn't in the in the first election so maybe that is maybe that is the mandate is it's time to move on well and that's what it was it was all aspirational yeah and and but the the most important part of this is that if you actually do want to see changing you do want to see reform and do you do want to see a new kind of city government in terms of being responsive to you then you're going to have to hold Lori's feet to the fire yeah I mean it doesn't stop at the fact that you voted for her it now is she must deliver on all the things that she talked about yeah they want they want something new and fresh and clearly Laurie was new and fresh she was the person that nobody sent and she made it all the way all the pundits were wrong everybody was wrong about Laurie on the other side you knew what you were gonna get you were not gonna get any change with Tony Bryk winkle yeah you weren't going to get any great vision with her okay well then all right so we're we seem to be agreed that that there is a call for radical change but now the question is how do you do radical change when the first thing you have to do is clean up all the giant mess that's in the room right I mean you you can you at this point she's walking in completely pure right she's got she's got her job to do she's got her bottle of water half drunk so she knows she's got work to do and then she just kind of walks into this you know billion dollar pension lesson and all the rest of it and somehow her that she's got to bring in some unbelievably powerful allies to make some of these things work that her predecessor couldn't do how does that work first of all I I disagree with the premise okay good she does she is not going to be a that's going to bring radical change the there was not there was not radical change at least at the mayor's level it was running there in the automatic races yes but Lori is a as Tony would say she is a corporate lawyer yeah she is comfortable walking into a boardroom and she's comfortable walking into maybe a rally somewhere maybe someday even a rally on the south or west side I don't know whether the comfort level is with her right now to do that but she doesn't surround herself with radicals she surrounds herself with reformers business types that want you know a fair day's work for a fair day's pay and stuff like that but I don't think we're gonna get radical change we're gonna get change them well what's gonna yeah and I agree with you what's going to change is the fact that you've got it you're gonna have a different makeup in the City Council and that's where the change is going to be but I think also that's where they're gonna push her and so we're gonna see some of that that we haven't seen before because what we've seen before is rubber stamp and marching lockstep and I don't think you're gonna see the same kind of rubber stamp and marching like step that we've seen well then so then that brings us to that central question about the City Council doesn't it I mean we're now a couple of days out from the election as we're recording this on Thursday we might have a pretty good view I mean we see that the fifth and the 33rd and the 46th Ward are still out it'll be a week or two before we know for sure who wins those but what it looks like to me is just a kind of a mess it's just like there's a little bit of this a little bit of that I I don't look at the City Council and say oh I think we're going to see this happen or that out now I think we see a conservative northwest side block we see a few do one caucus few establishment folks still hanging on we still have Ed Burke we still have Marty Quinn we have these DSA folks who are further to the left than the existing progressive caucus Scott Waguespack said in the Tribune that you know Carlos Ramirez Rosa who is the one man DSA caucus today but will be probably the leader of a five or six member DSA caucus has not been that involved in what the Progressive Caucus is doing and then you've got a group of folks who are kind of a rubber-stamp type not necessarily because they agreed wholeheartedly with the manual or with daily but because they could get what they needed out of the mayor and it behooves them to be that rubber stamp because they could get good stuff for their community that's true rubber stamp is and that's no matter who the mayor was crap yeah so building coalitions is going to be difficult and interesting and I can't even tell you who the floor leader is going to be I can't tell you the head of Finance it's gonna be I can tell you who the head of Zoning is gonna be the the publicity and all the news has been about the Democratic socialists you won and there was you know five maybe six of them mm-hmm the reality is there are five or six votes in a body of fifty people so as has been stated here although they're getting all the publicity because just like AOC is getting all the publicity in Congress she's the new shiny penny the reality is it's still a minority within the City Council and I think the big issue that she has to tackle is the thorniest one for everybody in that council she wants to say to each of these 50 aldermen I want to give you less power I want to take some of your privilege away from you that's part of the reform that I think a lot of people voted for is this City Council gonna give that to her that's gonna be the real big battle because if she can pull that off really reform will have come to Chicago well that's so hard to legislate we've talked about it every time I've been here that all dramatic prerogative is not a written down card it's not a law so it's it's tough to tackle right and you'll have a lot of aldermen who have been around for a long time that'll definitely push back and say this is the best way to represent my own community stay out of it and they avoid it and some of those endorsed her as well you had a lot of those people that were that would say you know you walk into Brendan Reilly saying well let's get rid of you know automatic privilege I mean he's gonna say well well let me let me let me talk to you about the black community when it takes right when it takes forever to get anything done in the first place I mean when you look at for instance the fifth Ward when you look at the fifth Ward and one of the issues for Leslie Harrison was the grocery store yeah took six years to get a grocery store yeah that's because one she didn't vote with the mayor and so she didn't get a grocery store has she voted with the mayor she would have gotten a grocery store a lot sooner all foods maybe exactly in the middle of nowhere because that's what happens you know magic happens and so part of it is knowing that everything takes decades to happen on the south side versus you see whole cities being redeveloped on the north side within a city for automatic prerogative is has a different meaning on the south side on the north side well I don't mean every year we don't have Lincoln yards yeah yeah we don't have projects 78 you know you're trying to get a grocery store and it takes you six years and you've got DISA T yeah so this is not a Ward that's a one of the wars that's been gutted out this is a war that has disappear that really fascinating and and actually I I have to tell you that I I think I just kind of I'm like really torn on this whole automatic prerogative thing it just sounds so it sounds so clear-cut when you talk about the 5150 project and you know up on the northwest side and and how a couple of aldermen were able to just completely shut down any possibility of affordable housing being brought into all-white wards on the northwest side that's that's where it's wrong but on the other hand there are there are other examples of where an alderman can actually make something happen because because he or she has that prerogative to make it happen that it it's not it's not just a it's not a binary debate in reason I'll go back to the fifth Ward again is another example and on because I know this Ward and they're working with Leslie for years but let's take the Starbucks when she brought Starbucks and that's a prime example when she first came to the city and asked about a Starbucks on the south side she was told to lure her expectations you don't really want to Starbucks why don't you look at a dollar store why don't you look at something and she's no no no I really want to Starbucks and and so I'm that's why I'm telling you that it was it was a relationship with someone who knew Magic Johnson who then he went to Starbucks and that's how she got it so it's a very different story you can you can't do broad strokes on the south side and in the north side and compare them because they're not the same yeah this'll do 53rd Street no the one on the 74 and of course when Starbucks did did the traffic study it was a no-brainer yeah yeah oh look there's people here right drink on there now their biggest regret is it's not a bigger Starbucks one of the most profitable well I I want to I promised myself that I would ask you guys about unions because well schools in particular I mean CTU doesn't look to me like they came out very well in the mixed bag mixed bag yeah I mean but you know they chose their horse early and then they probably regret it they did that but I'm fascinated by the Illinois network of charter schools I mean they put a lot of money into some races and they they're claiming six out of eight right now because they got Lopez Coleman Brookins River boy is of course and cardolan and Nugent but but they've got at least these eight pretty solid Pro charter votes and it's you and a few in the first round overall 10 out of 13 yeah but there were also a lot of campaigns that rejected their money didn't want their money because what it would mean yeah what how it would take it looks like yeah yes and so you know you've got those who will take any money no matter who gives it to them and then there were people who said no yeah but I mean I just have to think that if you're I don't know plumber or something and you're you and your union is putting money into one of these campaigns you're looking at this today and you're saying why is my Union even wasting money on a campaign like this is what's not what's it gonna do for me how am I out how is my bricklayers Union gonna benefit from one of these ladies well you hope they you're hoping that it will in in terms of the public policy that comes along with it or the development or whatever so I mean when you look at again when you look at we have more cranes dotting the skyline then any at anytime or anywhere else and then you at the same time around the holidays you had the service workers picketing the hotels so this is one union and they're making money hand over fist this is another union that's begging for health care and benefits and so that's why you do it and so far as getting back to the automatic prerogative I think I think a city that wants to continue to be in the forefront of visionary activity I think you have to look at the totality in the city not just what's happening in one ward over the other and I think that's one thing that you know Luria's has said at least during the campaign one reason why she wants to get rid of it no no bill Daly's idea of cutting the council to 15 members that kind of went away with him it did I remember thinking at the time way he was sitting here and we were talking and I was thinking if you don't make it to the mayor's office I don't think this idea is gonna stick around Darrell I remember talking to Patrick Daley Thompson I think it's his nephew yeah he was like I'm obviously not crazy about that I mean I started to disagree with what you said because part of why the south side and the west side looked like they do is because it's we're not looking at it Ward by Ward we're looking at it as downtown centric and that's how we're making all these decisions and and and so there isn't the same kind of whole picture let's see what we can do over here let's see what we can do over there because there are other things that could be developed in the south side I mean you've got these swaths vacant land where I mean I mean it was almost when I was going through Englewood I mean tears came to my eyes while I was driving through there because I mean when you think about these warehouses these were families these were children outside playing I know the kind of neighborhood I grew up in and you don't see any of that and for instance in the 20th Ward now you have Norfolk Southern that has expanded I mean in this just out an entire and it's three or four Wars is so big and yet there's not a local where have you ever seen any kind of industrial anything the size of Norfolk Southern and not a local watering hole anywhere not a local restaurant where did those people go is everything so self-contained Laurie I'm not worried Elmarie dull Marika is that all the frustration that you have I think it's part of the frustration that a lot of voters have had black and white who look at these huge areas that have not been developed I'm just saying is that if this city and Lori Lightfoot can bring in a more visionary team of planners they will see where the pockets of opportunity are and they are on the south and west sides some of the some of the greatest housing stock is on the south and west side of the park the boulevards I mean I Drive through those areas I'm saying just the opportunities here are phenomenal so it's the opportunity is there if you bring in the right people the city has not brought in the right people there but Northside Center and they have to not only not only bring in the right people but you do have to work with the aldermen and in a less paternalistic wait it cannot be I'm telling you what's best for you I need you to tell me what's best for your community that's the difference so if if Laurie called me for my recommendation and I and I said that I want I'd like to have you made planning Commissioner can you answer a couple of very elementary questions for me is it possible in the in the commercial realm to be a commercial developer who develops in Chicago large swaths of really quality low-income housing can it be done without well I mean it isn't being done by anybody at this point but can it be done in the private sector I mean does all the development have to along the Waukee Avenue and you know I haven't won from the line and it doesn't have to be and it doesn't have to be large developments I mean I would start with infill housing that's what I'm asking yeah if I was going to do development in the communities right that are wanting I would do infill housing you know and I would bring in I mean some for instance again you've got Michael Reese psyched we're paying 95 million dollars for this site to set it empty I mean this is a prime example of what I was saying in terms of lack of vision what you know it's location vision that was gonna be the that's why I fought against it cuz I'm brown zero but you know location location location what better location good you want your next to all the expressways you're next to the convention center you're next to the lakefront and yet is sitting there dormant and so that's what I'm saying is that it you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure this out you can you can build things just like you're building linking yards I mean we don't necessarily want to linking yards but you certainly can you talk to the community and say let's build some housing like Prairie shores of Lake metals I mean when you look at what that was and and immediately it was filled it serves a purpose and it would 50 years ago right and and it was supposed to be and it was an experiment it was an experiment model cities to see could you take a suburban idea and build it in the city and would it work yeah that's how that was the gym and it was a success that hasn't been replicated exactly well when you speak to affordable housing folks they're they're not the ones calling for rent control they're calling for preservation of the existing amazing affordable housing stock on the south and west sides which takes some city vision but there's there's a lot more that can be done on a smaller scale we don't need these gigantic developments necessarily we need to preserve what's there and then also work to you know and add to it yeah actually even the Norfolk Southern has a prime example it should have been one for one replacement house absolutely that's what should have happened here right you want to knock all these houses down take the rail yard well what are you wait exactly and the idea that you didn't even ask for that yeah I mean that is just unbelievable to me yeah yeah and again I think the key word of this whole discussion here today is infill I mean it's it's one thing to be as you say I mean even Prairie Shore was was was a renewal project right a lot of people lost their homes for that to happen we don't need to be pushing people out of their homes to do this they've already left hung two hundred three hundred thousand people have already left what are we doing with this with this incredible asset and I'm very frustrated by it and I can't I just can't understand why we just don't seem to have the vision to be able to build rebuild a community and you and you can't and and and what's good about it is that everything is in place infrastructure Street and what we're spending what I often say is that it costs us much to remove snow on a street that has one house as it does on a street that's full of houses yeah yeah so this is crazy it's unsustainable I'll be fascinating to see if there's a sustained band of development from the South Loop all the way down to the Obama presidential center and if the city can approach it in a way that doesn't mean displaced exactly the answer the answer I think simply is oh yeah there will be as long as long as the the right developers get the right parcels but how do you how do you deal with the displacement issue and and we've seen far too much displacement in the last 50 years it's it's it's kind of crazy if we talk about schools for a few minutes chalk beat is out with a really big piece today I actually printed it up because I'm an old man and sometimes I like to print things it's a really long piece about the different issues that Lori Lightfoot is going to be facing and I think you know the the the school closing thing is a really big thing but but the really big issue is this thing about the school board and what happens because it all goes back to the school board and what policies the school board sets I will say again I've ever been completely convinced that this like the school board hundred percent is the right answer I frightens me but once it worries me too I think it just it further politicizes the eminence there's politics there it's just further police' politicizes it and you know I'm not a big fan of it but I'm not horribly against it either but I don't like the idea of politicizing a School Board in it and I think it wouldn't it well I guess all school boards are politicize a are but you know we were talking earlier about all the the union's dumping money into the charter schools dumping money into the city council because they want their alderman to be on board imagine what it would be like if they were electing a school board yes and and even though I mean I support it but I'm of course I do it with a caveat because I support it because it has worked in every place else in this and in Illinois and we're the only school system that doesn't have it that's so big I know exactly and that's why I said there's a caveat because and then the other part is that we don't vote for what we should be voting for what would make me think that we're gonna vote for a school board and so you know how do you address that whole issue of people not being engaged and their money money coming in to put people on there they want but what we do know is that the current system isn't working just in case dear viewer you're thinking that the four of us saying we really like the system I don't think so no I don't think that's why but it comes it comes back to the people and now there's a new leader the new leader has a new vision she's got a different background she will bring a sensitivity to the new job that is before her that will make the idea of a a school board appointed by her is gonna be different than a school board appointed by a predecessor or by the 20 practical I think under the current proposal the school board elections wouldn't begin until 2023 so regardless we would have several years of a light foot and pointed so she might just be able to say to all the critics you know what let me have this one let me let me do this appointment thing here for a couple of years yeah I I think I got some ideas about how we can do this with appointments I don't know well there's already the you know the plotting to replace her has already begun the next election begin oh because I I do think I think whether it's hey-zeus Garcia or whether it's Susana Mendoza or anyone else within the you know Latino community I think they want to know when is our turn and that's that's gonna continue to grow really you know the the coalition of African Americans and Latinos has never been you know successful in any significant way the closest it was to being successful was under here at watch yes and of course it was not in and Daly's interest to make it successful that's what the H do was all about and and a lot of what we're seeing the remnants of H do is what we're seeing the jobs lost and people in the black community feeling that their reason they didn't support hey-zeus is because they felt that there is no coalition between black and brown coalition and so why are we gonna support somebody what to lose more jobs the few jobs that we have and so this was all done on purpose but I mean if hey Suz Garcia I mean you know he went to Washington with the understanding that he would be there for one or two terms and then come roaring back is that still the plan I I think that was the plan when rahm emanuel was still there i think that was the deal that was done involving luis gutierrez but that deal of that deal is over louie couldn't even elect his own daughter so i mean who is the leader of the of the latino is is it Chuy Garcia he's in Washington someone's going to merge out of this City Council to be someone yeah is it going to be susana mendoza well she's she's the State Controller for another four years is gonna be susana and I think it's going to be Chuy to some degree and I think Gilbert is the other person who's trying to step up we've also got to see how the rest of these indictments play yeah they're all me more is that that's right that we haven't even talked about that there will be more you know this morning it was recorded yesterday but Lori Lightfoot made like national news this morning on NPR I don't know if you know this but she spoke about David March and Thomas Gaffney and Joseph Walton and Walsh the three officers who were acquitted in the laQuan McDonald thing and about the code of silence yeah about the code of silence and yeah but anyway essentially what she said was that she was asking she was going to ask for it to be reevaluated looked into again because she thought that it was an unfair judgment and so I'm sure that plays very well with one half of her mandate constituency but with the other half it's not so popular at all was that it was that a wise thing to do to tell NPR that yesterday well I mean I guess she figures if I'm gonna say it do it well I'm on the honeymoon that can you know this would be yeah this is the only time I have to do it because she certainly once she gets in there she's not gonna be able to do it and if she does I mean there's gonna be retaliation in terms of pushback so then maybe this was just kind of like a sweetshop to some of the people who were adamant supporters the first yeah I mean I mean I don't think it hurts her certainly from the all the other groups especially in the black community when everybody thinks that anyway so if she and she and she actually does need to solidify her relationship with the black community yeah it's not like she has a long history with the black community so there is an establishment period that she's going to have to make because when she goes in there and make some of these tough decisions she's going to need a base that support her that supports her and has her back I think I think in doing that with the base I think speaking out on police issues is going to be is going to be dicey for her no it was dicey for her when she had the positions previously right because you know she was she was viewed by some people as you know his anti-police and in the black community she was perceived as to pro-police yeah and she's a Fed rate she's a former federal prosecutor so she she looks at things and there's been you know I'm I guess on both sides of discussing this issue I think the issue where she and Tony Brett Winkle could also forge a a strong relationship is on the issue of criminal justice reform if she were to move forward on some of the in the the first step act and in demanding from the Trump administration that that be implemented and funded I mean that that's that's something that will play well in all communities it certainly would play well in the african-american community and I think that's the one that that's the one that best fits her background where she's from the relationship that she had with her brother I mean the personal impact of having a brother incarcerated for so many years I mean you can see when she talks about that I mean she gets a little choked up about it so her passion is there I think frankly that's the area where she's gonna you know tackle first it's been interesting to watch elected officials call for a second look at charges like this we saw Kwame overall doing as well with Jason tonight sentencing I haven't seen it before I don't know if either of you have where they asked for real looks at sentencing that will be interesting watching her negotiate this consent decree negotiate the next FOP contract which is expired has been expired for year-and-a-half close to two years because there are a ton in the police abolition community who think she's a cop and that she could never do anything to satisfy that man you know anybody think she's already spoken to Kevin grant and think they've had a conversation Jim all Green has been listed in the papers as one of her advisors I mean he's he is knee-deep into the into the grass roots of the city and he's going to be blowing in or whispering her and she's got to listen to that and weigh it against you know the totality of who supported her and also in her mind what's best for the city of Chicago so she's got you know she wanted the job she's got it she can't complain about it you know we talked about reorganizing the City Council and the these other things but one of the things that I think is is very much on her plate is reorganize excuse me reorganizing the city government and all the commissioners and so forth we talked about planning I can't believe that David Riesman is going to be surviving the within to Lori Lightfoot but think about all that all the other departments I mean water you know you can go doubt you get on the line Human Services Family Services these these are all departments that I imagine she's gonna want to really kind of make them rethink how they do the new Department of Housing new Department of Environment environment is new the old Department of Environment is no again she also when I did an interview were there a couple of months ago she said that she thought that the the universities in Chicago were underused they had not been properly there there their brain power had not been properly tapped by previous administrations so I think we're going to be looking into academia to bring some of these folks in to deal with reality and you know I don't think that's going to be many holdovers from the rama administration but then if she appoints too many people from the daily administration that's not going to play well with some contingency and again it's been it's been a long time since there was a Harold Washington administration and some of those people are like us either retired or getting ready or long from long gone from the scene yeah what's interesting is we're not talking about two of the big ones that are probably going to stay which is Janice Jackson she has not expressed any willingness to fire her right away and Eddie Johnson superintendent CPD who she said it would be I'd be terrible to let him go right before this summer yeah those two big ones I was watching I think I think mall so in the back of her mind though is you know she was part of the process that gave three names to Rahm Emanuel right and so she thinks that any one of those three would be a good police superintendent at least she did you know what four years ago three years ago so I think she's and that is a different approach yes absolutely but she may have a couple of names already and in mine she yeah she's gonna start a new office of violence prevention as well we're public office of Public Safety I think it was Andy Johnson is changing some of what he said to I mean one of the reasons why Tony for a twinkle says she would get rid of him is because he said in 27 years that he was in the police department he never saw any any misconduct in front of him and you know you figured there's I mean when he said it I was just blown away at the time he said it and and now he's saying you know there is a code of silence and we have to address it Eddie Johnson did not get to where he is right in the bureaucracy of the Chicago Police Department without being a deaf you know one thing we have not discussed because it will it's about future politics but again I think it's going to be the next big story that all the political junkies are going to be salivating over and that's Kim Fox the future of Kim Fox how many people are going to challenge her for state's attorney I predict there will be some I predict there will be many but there may be but she also has time to address this and you know my position on this whole thing with Rahm Emmanuel is 20 count I mean a 16 counts versus 16 shots and where was your outrage now your outrage the the definition of dissing general disingenuous is Rahm Emanuel's outrage when you said something you're excited for I thought you're going to say the remap that will be exciting too but not like the kid box because of the personal personal aspect definitely the emotion of it involved but it's very interesting though to see how that the the the argument that Don Murray makes is is beginning to really take root now it's sort of like there's this kind of like holding the mirror back up to it and say oh yeah well where was your outrage I mean just his words I mean I was gonna do a column on just using his words disingenuous and then I was gonna go up down what that means abomination this was an abomination a whitewash oh my god two years nobody's gonna be talking and that's what I think I think your point is well-taken but I'm saying as a plea you know Rahm Emanuel said never would never let example he wants to here's a guy this guy is being praised on Fox News TV sure what she was gonna get anyway we've seen him publish eight times in the Atlantic in the past since he announced he wasn't running he's on cable news every weekend I don't understand what the point of getting so outraged about this was other than defending all the work that the Chicago Police Department done investigating it and that's what it was and that's what it was about the whole idea was that it was a black eye on the city of Chicago it had nothing to do with actually the people involved it was of all about I'm doing all of this to make the city of Chicago look wonderful and then look at what look at what you do now the fact that people are getting killed on a regular basis that's okay and the tourists are afraid to come here even though we have record tourism there's still people who say they're afraid to come here but that's okay but Jesse Smollett oh my god but a lot of lot of people were outraged I think a lot of african-americans and outraged about that well you're outraged about that decision but the Aaron Schock I mean that's that's similar I mean it would disappear too and it was federal and all of a sudden it went poof up in smoke so I'm no more outraged about that than I am Jesse Smola and the bottom line as far as jesse is concerned is I mean I it never rang true from the beginning I mean nobody says versus Mecca County a country in Macan country in Chicago this is not you know some of my know and and who would know that he was gay at 2:00 in the morning and let and I don't even know him I don't look at Empire I don't even know him he could have walked down the street past me I wouldn't have known who he was but you've got some white people walking down the street and they know who he is come on doesn't make any sense one of the things that's going to be the most difficult to say for us all to stomach I think is going to be watching all of the cable news shows with Rahm Emanuel talking about how he fixed Chicago in just eight years he turned Chicago around and it'll be in the city in the first sentence the word cranes will be in the record corporate real locations to record and record tourism and direct foreign investment I got the phone look why McDonald yes it right that's right well you know someday we should reconvene this panel to do a post-mortem on the Rahm Emanuel years because I think it's a really mixed thing I mean there there have been some good things but yeah he's gone he's gone we don't already six more days we don't have to do the way around there won't be a tag day for okay keep living in Chicago yes you do for a while I figured he'd get me out of here real quickly but anyway take the house you may keep the house I rented I we've run out of time and I guess that's probably just a good thing because you know it's you guys have all got to get back to work so yeah do that thank you very much thanks for being here today thanks to Dell Murray Cobb the publicity works and your your candidate oh I forgot already your candidate was 220 nicole Johnson is okay yeah well that one's still up in the air right no no no no it's not no no no no now I start falling apart Bruce Dumont the big on the Beltway show and sort of the Dean of political adviser political commentators in Chicago and also I did something last week on the show that I've never done in all my years on your own I'd be on the boat oh you did you endorsed the candidate I endorse Lori Lightfoot I thought that was the first time I'd ever heard you do right yeah never done it so you're Lori guy yes we well I I was outraged that Tony prick Winkle did not take the opportunity to denounce the the horrible conduct of Bobby Rush and I and and the robotic way that she did it an ad quick from the daily line which is which is no no no which is a great daily summary of the news and you should look into it I'm Ken Davis we'll be back next week I have no idea we're gonna talk about next week because we just been too busy doing this but we'll find something so you watch us here's the way you go to get to all the past shows and to get to our archives and so forth and we'll see you next week thanks bye-bye you

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